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A quote from Bugsy (Perry Mariano) the stablemaster of Bugsy's Promotions

"He (Van Boening) doesn't know what to do with a hard shot," Mariano said. "He's good in pocketing. But he's lacking in creativity. There's a time when the balls will make it hard for you and that's his problem. I don't think he will be able to make it (winning the world championship) unless he has lots of luck."

Those are some pretty provocative words, but then Mariano went on to say this: "If he played in our national open (The BSCP Philippine National Pool Championship) he couldn't win."

Taken from Ted Lerner's latest blog, read the whole piece on the WPC07 site.

I don't think it's any kind of trash talk. I think it's just an opinionative assesment of seeing Shane up and close for the first time. Shane did take Jeffery (one of Perry's star players) 21-13 in a challenge match at Bugsy's Lair.

Perry must have a good eye for strengths and weaknesses of players if you look at the loaded line up of players in his stable.

I take no sides on this one, just thought it was pretty interesting.

I wonder if Shane didn't have so much hype preceeding him, would Perry assess him in a more positive tone seeing him play in person?

Interesting how the human mind works . . . .
 
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kano said:
...I don't think it's any kind of trash talk. I think it's just an opinionative assesment of seeing Shane up and close for the first time...
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Just because it's opinionative, doesn't mean it's not trash talk.

And what Bugsy said WAS trash talk.

I'm thinking another challenge match is waiting for SVB in the Philippines, and I'm sure SVB can't wait. Should make for some good drama.
 
Bah, Humbug !!!!

kano said:
I don't think it's any kind of trash talk. I think it's just an opinionative assesment of seeing Shane up and close for the first time. Shane did take Jeffery (one of Perry's star players) 21-13 in a challenge match at Bugsy's Lair.
Interesting how the human mind works . . . .
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Yes, very interesting. Perhaps he should change the name to "Bugsy's Liar"..... imo

Doug
 
this is just a bunch of bs, when a filipino does well over here no 1 ever bad mouths them if they have 1 bad tourney, he was never on the tv table, according to his wpc player profile the highlight of this year for shane was qualifying for the wpc what a joke! they viewed shane as a threat to win the tourney and also as one of the few players that can match up with ANY of their top players and take down the cash, i get the feeling that shane isn't the kinda guy that u wanna try and publicly humiliate
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A quote from Bugsy (Perry Mariano) the stablemaster of Bugsy's Promotions

"He (Van Boening) doesn't know what to do with a hard shot," Mariano said. "He's good in pocketing. But he's lacking in creativity. There's a time when the balls will make it hard for you and that's his problem. I don't think he will be able to make it (winning the world championship) unless he has lots of luck."

Those are some pretty provocative words, but then Mariano went on to say this: "If he played in our national open (The BSCP Philippine National Pool Championship) he couldn't win."

Taken from Ted Lerner's latest blog, read the whole piece on the WPC07 site.

I don't think it's any kind of trash talk. I think it's just an opinionative assesment of seeing Shane up and close for the first time. Shane did take Jeffery (one of Perry's star players) 21-13 in a challenge match at Bugsy's Lair.

Perry must have a good eye for strengths and weaknesses of players if you look at the loaded line up of players in his stable.

I take no sides on this one, just thought it was pretty interesting.

I wonder if Shane didn't have so much hype preceeding him, would Perry assess him in a more positive tone seeing him play in person?

Interesting how the human mind works . . . .
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lol...well let's just wait and see what Bugsy has to say after Shane has hijacked everyone in his stable....I'm sure the window is open!
 
jwilliams said:
lol...well let's just wait and see what Bugsy has to say after Shane has hijacked everyone in his stable....I'm sure the window is open!
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This is my guess also, SVB would keep his pimp hands stong on those clowns
 
kano said:
A quote from Bugsy (Perry Mariano) the stablemaster of Bugsy's Promotions

"He (Van Boening) doesn't know what to do with a hard shot," Mariano said. "He's good in pocketing. But he's lacking in creativity. There's a time when the balls will make it hard for you and that's his problem. I don't think he will be able to make it (winning the world championship) unless he has lots of luck."

Those are some pretty provocative words, but then Mariano went on to say this: "If he played in our national open (The BSCP Philippine National Pool Championship) he couldn't win."

Taken from Ted Lerner's latest blog, read the whole piece on the WPC07 site.

I don't think it's any kind of trash talk. I think it's just an opinionative assesment of seeing Shane up and close for the first time. Shane did take Jeffery (one of Perry's star players) 21-13 in a challenge match at Bugsy's Lair.

Perry must have a good eye for strengths and weaknesses of players if you look at the loaded line up of players in his stable.

I take no sides on this one, just thought it was pretty interesting.

I wonder if Shane didn't have so much hype preceeding him, would Perry assess him in a more positive tone seeing him play in person?

Interesting how the human mind works . . . .
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That's funny that Mariano is saying this because De Luna has been in this spot before and lost once again to Stepanov (10-4). Van Boening is a first timer in the WPC, so he's "tasting blood". I read this whole blog and from what I noticed is that Mariano just relies on the hard "luck shots" and not about the consistancy of the whole game. I think Jeffery is just out of his mind with cockiness flying off the seat of his pants, assuming that he thinks he knows what is up ahead to which he doesn't. When it comes to the other humble and determined Pinoys like Pagulayan, Django, Bata, and Robocop, those guys just give a damn about their game and not about others. That's what separates predator from prey.
 
Hold on Johnson,

I'm not sure WHEN the quote was taken from Perry. If I'm reading your post right, you are assuming that Perry said this AFTER Shane got knocked out.

I think(not sure) that the quote was taken before. Maybe during the money game at Bugsy's Lair.

To be sure someone's gonna have to ask Ted Lerner when Perry said what he said. I'm sure he's reachable online.
 
Yeah, a guy that's one of the strongest bartable 8-ball players on the planet by definition has limited creativity & limited ability to work through tough layouts. Gimme a break!
 
Perry is more than welcome to bring his boys to Derby City and they can get matched up. Since he effectively totally knocked all his action by saying that just about every Filipino player is better than the US Open champion - who double dipped the reigning WORLD champion to get there.

You don't win the US Open by not knowing how to make hard shots. It's clear the Perry hasn't seen enough of Shane. It's funny, but how many Filipinos have won the US Open? Oh that's right, just one. The mighty Efren.

Don't get me wrong - I love Filipinos and repsect their game all the way. But quotes like this from Perry are just absurd.

Shane Van Boening has all the talent and skill he needs to WIN any tournament in the WORLD. But like all pros he also needs the rolls on any given day.

But here you go Action Report guys. Perry Mariano wants the Thrilla in Manilla II and he is willing to give up some serious weight to lightweight contender SVB.

I will bet $5000 on SVB against any Filipino player in a race to 100 if the Filipino player gives up 30 games on the wire. Should be about the right line for a no talent hack like SVB against the all Galaxy champion Filipinos.

We got a bet Perry?
 
John Barton said:
Perry is more than welcome to bring his boys to Derby City and they can get matched up. Since he effectively totally knocked all his action by saying that just about every Filipino player is better than the US Open champion - who double dipped the reigning WORLD champion to get there.

You don't win the US Open by not knowing how to make hard shots. It's clear the Perry hasn't seen enough of Shane. It's funny, but how many Filipinos have won the US Open? Oh that's right, just one. The mighty Efren.

Don't get me wrong - I love Filipinos and repsect their game all the way. But quotes like this from Perry are just absurd.

Shane Van Boening has all the talent and skill he needs to WIN any tournament in the WORLD. But like all pros he also needs the rolls on any given day.

But here you go Action Report guys. Perry Mariano wants the Thrilla in Manilla II and he is willing to give up some serious weight to lightweight contender SVB.

I will bet $5000 on SVB against any Filipino player in a race to 100 if the Filipino player gives up 30 games on the wire. Should be about the right line for a no talent hack like SVB against the all Galaxy champion Filipinos.

We got a bet Perry?
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lol, if Shane gets 30 games on the wire then I will escrow $50,000 and I'm sure a lot of other people would too.
 
John Barton

I think it's a good idea. Perry has the players, has the money, and sounds like the bravado. I think it would set the pool world on it's ear if he brought all of his players en masse to the US calling out anyone. At the DCC that would be epic!!!!

Just remember it's not easy to get a Visa to the US if you're Filipino. I know Dennis was trying for a long time to get over then he finally did and won an IPT qualifier his first time on US soil.

I don't know how feasible it would be to get Roberto Gomez, Jeff Deluna, Gabica, Jharome Pena, and others to join Ronnie and Dennis stateside all at the same time.

I guess when the WPC is in your back yard you get kind of cocky.
 
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corvette1340 said:
lol, if Shane gets 30 games on the wire then I will escrow $50,000 and I'm sure a lot of other people would too.
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there is know way that will happen but if it does I will do the same
 
I like SVB alot. We have spoke on the phone several times, my door to my home is open to him so to speak(thats how much i like/respect him), he is an amazing player, he breaks the balls with the best control of any person i have ever seen play, he dosent have balls on thee rails, clusters, everything is open the CB and 1 ball almost awalys have a pocket, I have never seen anyone break with that kind of control, and therefore Shane runs out all the time. I believe he is the future of pool, however I have made a couple of posts and comments in conversations with people about his creativity and how it would cone out in 1P, infact I made a post in the last couple days where I said if a person had Efrens creative mind and SVB's pocketing/breaking ability how good would that be? The way who ever said that about Shane is jealous, but Shane is young and hopefull over time becomes more creative, perhaps he will not be creative, I dont see him doing much creative because he dosent have to, because his break is perfect. So perhaps thats his strong suit, I'm a huge supporter of SVB, hell I owe him $$$ when he comes home.

Some people are artists and some people can only draw stick figures, i compair that to creativity in pool. You have or you dont, Knocking Shane is gonna happen alot cause he is playing better than anyone in the world now and will for along time, So F the haters. SVB may never have to be creative to be the best in the world, you have to be creative in 9B and 10B when you get out of line SVB dosent get out of line, we'll talk about 1P when shane decides to play it,

and most importantly Shane is a good person outside of pool and is a respectable person and has a great family. His whole family and he has my 100% respest.
 
John Barton said:
Perry is more than welcome to bring his boys to Derby City and they can get matched up. Since he effectively totally knocked all his action by saying that just about every Filipino player is better than the US Open champion - who double dipped the reigning WORLD champion to get there.

You don't win the US Open by not knowing how to make hard shots. It's clear the Perry hasn't seen enough of Shane. It's funny, but how many Filipinos have won the US Open? Oh that's right, just one. The mighty Efren.

Don't get me wrong - I love Filipinos and repsect their game all the way. But quotes like this from Perry are just absurd.

Shane Van Boening has all the talent and skill he needs to WIN any tournament in the WORLD. But like all pros he also needs the rolls on any given day.

But here you go Action Report guys. Perry Mariano wants the Thrilla in Manilla II and he is willing to give up some serious weight to lightweight contender SVB.

I will bet $5000 on SVB against any Filipino player in a race to 100 if the Filipino player gives up 30 games on the wire. Should be about the right line for a no talent hack like SVB against the all Galaxy champion Filipinos.

We got a bet Perry?
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Well 2, Alex Pagulayan.
 
You don't win the US Open by not knowing how to make hard shots. It's clear the Perry hasn't seen enough of Shane. It's funny, but how many Filipinos have won the US Open? Oh that's right, just one. The mighty Efren.
You forgot Alex Pagulayan.:)

I have no doubt SVB is going to win WPC someday too.
 
my thoughts on shane...

i'm not the greatest expert on judging shane, but i'll state this from my humble opinion. from what i've seen from watching him in the u.s. open, he's currently playing great and getting better because he's getting all the love and support from the american pool community--i mean there are threads popping up everyday most of which are redundant topics of how great a player he is. for shane, it's gotta be a great boost for his confidence to own the title of best american player. how could you not play great with all that?

however, playing in the world stage on international territory is a whole new ballgame. while shane dominates pool in the u.s., he does not nearly have the proper seasoning to compete in the world stage compared to the taiwanese and europeans whose games are geared specifically towards major world international tournaments like the wpc, guiness asian tour, european championships, etc. i honestly was not shocked to see him get bumped from the wpc quite early, especially to Vilmos Foldes, a well-seasoned wpc competitor.

why am i saying all this? because i've always felt that a lot of us americans were expecting a bit too much when they we were practically garanteeing him to win the wpc. i still think shane is several steps away from hitting that plateau. right now, shane seems to be in "action-mode", which is great. but great action play doesn't win the wpc...just great pool play--great pool play at the wpc. in front of the knowledgable wpc crowd, no one really cares who you beat for money or what tournaments you've won. i think shanes was riding this high wave at the wpc, and he's now pulled back down to earth. while there's all the discussion on this thread of shane getting action against jeffrey and the controversial comment of mariano, that's all just more unneccessary hype--the same kind of hype that i think really hurt shane and prevented him from doing better than he could've. the wpc is the toughest tournament to win and all the hype in the world won't make you win this title.

please, don't think that i'm hating shane, i think he's a great kid and will be a guaranteed world-beater in the coming years, maybe months. i bragged to all my friends how i got to watch him play in person at the open. i just think he still needs some further understanding, as some of his fans do. this is just the way i'm interpreting the situation as objective as i can be. i hope this can be more helpful than controversial.

thanks for reading. peace.

oh, ps: does anyone know shane's highest run in straight pool? i don't know and i'm really curious.
 
I got 14hours of DVDs of SVB beating Deuel (one of the most creative players in the world) that says Bugsy is wrong in that assumption.
 
Sounds like the Bugsy folks are just upset Shane beat Ronnie twice in the Open. Were they behind that racking BS that was posted after Shane won?

They see Shane as a real threat and they're trying to rattle him with this.
 
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