For those of You that don't know... The BreakRAK is getting some attention...

JolietJames said:
I purchased something that looks a lot like this well over 20 years ago.
I'll have to pull it out and see if there is a name on it. I only asked to see if the breakrak is a knock-off of that product.
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Looking forward to see what you purchased. Were you able to use it regularly & did it help you learn something...
 
boogieman said:
I'm kind of in the same boat. For certain situations I think it would be the bees knees. Yes it saves you from re-racking.

But the break is SO much more than squatting the CB. This isn't knocking the device. Again, good for practicing certain aspects.

I'm not a great player but I'm flabbergasted that players don't know where balls trend on the break. Even really good players. You can manipulate the general area where the balls end up by changing CB location, speed and spin. It's all about observing. Even Dr. Dave has the diagram where balls trend. If you've ever replaced cloth you can see the track lines on the slate.

To me, this aspect is way more important than squatting the CB. Again, I'm not great at this game, but even for me it's dead easy to squat a CB. I'm a nobody but I can look at the numbers or colors of a rack and know where and how to break from for good results. It's not some analysis either, it's mainly from feel and paying close attention to the break for a month or two. It's a skill that is within anyone's grasp if they pay any attention and train pattern recognition. I'm doing this stuff by "feel" without any real conscious thought.

I may be dead wrong, maybe I have a touch of the 'tism or something but anyone near or over 500FR should know this stuff. The break isn't random. There should be about half a dozen to a dozen breaks you can use to get favorable results on the first 4 or so balls. The rest is gravy. Yes, there are more variations in where balls can go than a dozen but you should only need the first 3 or so balls to be able to get shape to run out.

I should write a booklet on it but I'm much too lazy.
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This is kind of surprising, even players well into FR600's I have seen their cue ball flying around the table or going straight into the side pocket on 8 ball breaks. I have always wondered why they don't control the cue ball more. I have a Break-Rak and love it, sometimes I notice my cue ball start to get sloppy on breaks, I will set up my Break-Rak and practice 15 minutes a night a few times during the week, after that my cue ball is back to perfect break after break. That 15 minutes of break practice gets me at least 45 practice breaks if my stamina can hold out that long.
 
The BreakRAK is what's called a CONSTANT... Any equation full of variables is really hard to solve, if not impossible. When using the BreakRAK, you have the CUE BALL & the BreakRAK as CONSTANTS, they do what they do, the same way every time, because of your input. You are the Variable & it's practice, repetitive practice that gets your muscle memory working like a constant.
Just using the BreakRAK to learn the SQUAT isn't all bad, but it falls way short of the intended use. After some study of where balls go, after impact, you can learn (with the BreakRAK) where you want the CUEBALL to be, when things stop moving. That isn't learned from a single spot in the kitchen or a single target on the RAK or a single hit on the CUE BALL. It's a study & rigorous controlled practice. But, there are only a few players, in the last 25 years, that are up to that.
 
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ceebee said:
in the year 2000 at the BCA... in Vegas... then again at the BCA Expo in New Orleans, 2002...
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I bought mine before that because I had an 8 footer when I bought it and that was before 2000.
I think mine has no shock in the middle and balls on all 4 corners.
It came with different length poles for table sizes and everything stored in a rifle case.
 
JolietJames said:
I purchased something that looks a lot like this well over 20 years ago.
I'll have to pull it out and see if there is a name on it. I only asked to see if the breakrak is a knock-off of that product.
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Did you ever find that product I am interested to see if there was anything prior.
JolietJames said:
I purchased something that looks a lot like this well over 20 years ago.
I'll have to pull it out and see if there is a name on it. I only asked to see if the breakrak is a knock-off of that product.
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Did you ever find your device?
 
JolietJames said:
I bought mine before that because I had an 8 footer when I bought it and that was before 2000.
I think mine has no shock in the middle and balls on all 4 corners.
It came with different length poles for table sizes and everything stored in a rifle case.
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Sounds like the original.... I still have one. I also have a 2015 Brak III (aluminum one). When I get my table finished, I'll be dragging it out for practice... I'm 83...
 
DynoDan said:
Severe ‘tennis elbow’ sort of ended my break practice sessions years ago, but I’m wondering: even with the template rack, is there ever a ‘diminishing returns’ issue with breaking force (?)
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Besides loss of control… sure,the rack shifts back upon the hit so too much power would shift if back further than optimal before the balls can scatter for the break patters we know that work.
 
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skor said:
I’ve always failed to see the advantage of this tool rather than get you to spend more money…
There are no shortcuts, a chef needs to chop onions for a year to start his way to the top.
A pool player should rack and break for a year to master the break. How can you learn how the balls spread with this tool?
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That’s not what it’s for it’s for teaching you to hit th rack perfect at the chosen speed and squat the cb lmfao
 
greyghost said:
That’s not what it’s for it’s for teaching you to hit th rack perfect at the chosen speed and squat the cb lmfao
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Learning about the ball's path, after impact, can be done easily by watching YouTube & slowing down the playback... About a week & you'll know as much as the next guy. Be careful to slow it down, so you can see where the Cue Ball is hitting the LeadBall
 
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You guys called it. Breakrak II is the one I have.
 
JolietJames said:
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You guys called it. Breakrak II is the one I have.
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Yep that's it, the BreakRAK II. The differences are the Nose Ball Mount is cone shaped, to support the Lead Ball at impact. It also has has the O-Ring Shock Absorber, which has never changed. The 5 balls went away at BreakRAK III, to bring in the Sausage Body & Aluminum Side Balls. THE BREAKRAK brought in the Polyurethane molded body, for several years, but PolyUrethane went through the roof & now we are back to Aluminum. They are still around, we hear from customers, from time to time. I manufactured & assembled everyone of these, until March this year. I'm 83
 
ceebee said:
Yep that's it, the BreakRAK II. The differences are the Nose Ball Mount is cone shaped, to support the Lead Ball at impact. It also has has the O-Ring Shock Absorber, which has never changed. The 5 balls went away at BreakRAK III, to bring in the Sausage Body & Aluminum Side Balls. THE BREAKRAK brought in the Polyurethane molded body, for several years, but PolyUrethane went through the roof & now we are back to Aluminum. They are still around, we hear from customers, from time to time. I manufactured & assembled everyone of these, until March this year. I'm 83
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Great information and history of the product. I'm glad to hear it was your baby back then as well as today.
It is a great product that I purchased from Bert way back when.

FYI, if you ever need a prototype of a new product, I can make it. My shop is mostly custom automotive products but we make a couple pool items.
 
ceebee said:
Learning about the ball's path, after impact, can be done easily by watching YouTube & slowing down the playback... About a week & you'll know as much as the next guy. Be careful to slow it down, so you can see where the Cue Ball is hitting the LeadBall
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Exactly…
 
I really enjoyed Bert, he was a good guy. Bert's "Mighty X, The 3 & 6 point star & The Ladder", helped me become a good player, always loved the game & most of the people...
 
JamisonNeu said:
Can you post think link to that product? I'd like to see it please.
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Here’s a poor knockoff from aliexpress.


The breakrak is a far better device in both build quality and usefulness for training.

I do need a replacement radar for mine though. It only works for maybe 3 breaks then freezes even with new batteries.


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