For those of you that remember the 80's...

jlrowe

jlrowe

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What has happened to pool players of the younger generation. The players of today seem so methodical, analytical and to eager to play safe if its not a sure thing. Most shoot like they are robots. In the 80's a lot of players were fast and loose, confident, ran around the table with a cocky attitude pocketing everything in site. Jucing up whitey when necessary. It was like it wasnt about the money but about respect. It made for great action. Not like the safety playing robots of today. I know back then it was Gold Crowns and they were more forgiving than the Diamonds of today. Is this what happened? I dont know. What happened?:shrug:
 
jlrowe said:
What has happened to pool players of the younger generation. The players of today seem so methodical, analytical and to eager to play safe if its not a sure thing. Most shoot like they are robots. In the 80's a lot of players were fast and loose, confident, ran around the table with a cocky attitude pocketing everything in site. Jucing up whitey when necessary. It was like it wasnt about the money but about respect. It made for great action. Not like the safety playing robots of today. I know back then it was Gold Crowns and they were more forgiving than the Diamonds of today. Is this what happened? I dont know. What happened?:shrug:
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I'm not even sure it was about the the pockets being looser because I remember seeing Strickland gambling in the early 80's on a very tight shimmed table and he was putting together packages like it was a joke, real fast and loose.
 
jlrowe said:
What has happened to pool players of the younger generation. The players of today seem so methodical, analytical and to eager to play safe if its not a sure thing. Most shoot like they are robots. In the 80's a lot of players were fast and loose, confident, ran around the table with a cocky attitude pocketing everything in site. Jucing up whitey when necessary. It was like it wasnt about the money but about respect. It made for great action. Not like the safety playing robots of today. I know back then it was Gold Crowns and they were more forgiving than the Diamonds of today. Is this what happened? I dont know. What happened?:shrug:
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Maybe they learned that smart play wins over showy play.
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Steve
 
I dont know they strung a lot of racks together back in those days with what seemed to be a lot less effort.
 
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I`m an old guy who played the game the old way, quit playing for eleven years, and then was rudely introduced to the new way. In the old days if you shot an intentional safety you would probably have to fist fight, that was just not the gentlemanly way to play. We played shoot to make the ball back then. Push out with the ball in hand after two consecutive fouls was the next evolution and I liked it because you usually pushed out to a location where you felt like you had the shooting advantage. Todays game is boring because of all the safety play. I once enjoyed seeing great players go at it full bore offense. Todays player do not compare to the old champions in this regard. Thanks for the post poolteacher
 
most young people today don't have sack anyways....its not the game its a general attitude

can't walk around cocky if your scared lol

blame it on the pussification of america which happens to include things like the APA and their dilution of quality teams and players to make more money, and shoddy loose rules so everything is more "equal"

people used to have to get better to be equal to someone.....now they get equal served up on a silver platter in the leagues so no one has to work at anything to get better, b/c you can win without getting better.

Its like LD shafts imop its more of a money making thing than it is for betterment of the game. The apa and orginazations like that will do whatever they want b/c they got your money already.

Like the BCA telling us what to do or changing this or that. They don't do sh$t anyways so why are people listening to them.

Like not having a HOF induction....JESUS! Its not even a real hall of fame, it doesn't cost money to count a F*KING VOTE, and add a picture to an internet page.

Thank god for sane individuals like Steve Booth who started a REAL HOF thats ran by the public opinion.

The whole sport sucks and many of its industry leaders bailed on us long ago, and our investment angels are few and far between.....so why would the players be in any better position then 20yrs ago?

Slowly but surely the games being turned into snooker.....its boring.....9 ball is supposed to be exciting the way we play? SH*T is BORING

It makes it even worse when leagues make up their own rules and turn 8 ball into 9 ball and allow illegal strokes and bla bla bla.....PUSSIFICATION OF AMERICA.....EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE EQUAL without work these days.

Thats why Earl is complaining about the break.....like Corey unlocking the 9 ball rack with his break using the Sardo......ITS A GAFF

how abouts making the wing 82/83? You know what thats called.....A TRICK SHOT! Mike Massey does them you may have heard of him. But they should put him in the guiness book of world records for longest gaff rack streak in history without a miss. I'd love to have to play someone doing that in the US Open rack your own, so long as he showed me how he racks b/f the match so at least I could gaff it too, get it back even know what I'm sayin lol

This is why I love one pocket so much.....better rules make the game more equal to either player(as opposed to making the players equal in the game), which means no or less gaff BS.
 
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Thanks for asking

Push-out was real 9-ball. Ball-in-hand didn't exist, and wasn't needed. And Buddy Hall ruled the land. Those were the old days.
 
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Push-out was real 9-ball. Ball-in-hand didn't exist, and wasn't needed. And Buddy Hall ruled the land. Those were the old days.
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greyghost said:
most young people today don't have sack anyways....its not the game its a general attitude

can't walk around cocky if your scared lol

blame it on the pussification of america which happens to include things like the APA and their dilution of quality teams and players to make more money, and shoddy loose rules so everything is more "equal"

people used to have to get better to be equal to someone.....now they get equal served up on a silver platter in the leagues so no one has to work at anything to get better, b/c you can win without getting better.

Its like LD shafts imop its more of a money making thing than it is for betterment of the game. The apa and orginazations like that will do whatever they want b/c they got your money already.

Like the BCA telling us what to do or changing this or that. They don't do sh$t anyways so why are people listening to them.

Like not having a HOF induction....JESUS! Its not even a real hall of fame, it doesn't cost money to count a F*KING VOTE, and add a picture to an internet page.

Thank god for sane individuals like Steve Booth who started a REAL HOF thats ran by the public opinion.

The whole sport sucks and many of its industry leaders bailed on us long ago, and our investment angels are few and far between.....so why would the players be in any better position then 20yrs ago?

Slowly but surely the games being turned into snooker.....its boring.....9 ball is supposed to be exciting the way we play? SH*T is BORING

It makes it even worse when leagues make up their own rules and turn 8 ball into 9 ball and allow illegal strokes and bla bla bla.....PUSSIFICATION OF AMERICA.....EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE EQUAL without work these days.

Thats why Earl is complaining about the break.....like Corey unlocking the 9 ball rack with his break using the Sardo......ITS A GAFF

how abouts making the wing 82/83? You know what thats called.....A TRICK SHOT! Mike Massey does them you may have heard of him. But they should put him in the guiness book of world records for longest gaff rack streak in history without a miss. I'd love to have to play someone doing that in the US Open rack your own, so long as he showed me how he racks b/f the match so at least I could gaff it too, get it back even know what I'm sayin lol

This is why I love one pocket so much.....better rules make the game more equal to either player(as opposed to making the players equal in the game), which means no or less gaff BS.
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Great post!
I quit playing for 20 years and when I came back nobody broke and ran the balls anymore. Every tournament is handicapped and nobody will gamble unless they know you.

We didn't play safeties. We played two way shots that forced the OP to roll out to another offensive position to try and run out. Tournaments are trying to get rid of this, too. If you miss, BIH is okay though. That's a good rule because it promotes offensive play. This used to be a good spot for the cash.

Another victim of the safety wars is ring games. Nobody wants to take a chance and fire back despite the odds. If I'm wrong about this last point, pm me. I'll be moving to your neighborhood as soon as I can!

Best,
Mike
 
Great post Grey i agree 100%. It is like a child mentality. I hate handicapping, I know i dont have a chance but you supposed to let me win. That one reason i wont take a spot. I dont care if someone beats my brains out. I wont take a spot. If they offer me a spot after beating my ass, I still wont take a spot. If i have to have a spot i wont play until i feel like i have a chance. With me its always been about how i play not about the money. If i had to do it for the money then it may be different.
 
They were taught it was wrong !

Kids of today are taught that its wrong to play 9ball fast & loose .
They are taught never to play combinations because they are 'low-percentage shots' .
They are told to try and run out , ignoring the kiss shot .
The kids don't know better because they've never seen anyone who plays the game fast & loose.

Lots of the 80's style of play was owed to The Color of Money.
All the kids , and some of the grown-ups , wanted to be Vincent.
They wanted it "On the snap, Vincent!"
They wanted the kiss shot off the 1 , or the 2 . . .
So that's how they played.

There was very little pool being played on TV
The "9ball Classic @ Resorts International" didn't exist.
So where were the going to learn to play it differently ?
There was no internet , and there were precious few pool instructional videos available for the BetaMax . . .
And of course the top players ( hustlers , back then , and they weren't afraid to say it . . ) who had the knowledge didn't want to pass it on , less it be used against them !
There weren't even that many good books on the subject back then .

Of course , the other difference , part of the reality ( and I'm gonna be jumped for saying this !) is that in the 80's way more players were jacked up on coke or speed (or speedballs . . . ) . . . .
The drug-induced high made them feel invincible , and that feeling inspired some of the wild-ass plays which met with occasional success , which made the players that shot them seem like heroes.

So today they buy the instructional video , that teaches them fundamentals far beyond what anyone was using in the 80's , but at the same time it teaches them to play safe instead of running out.
They go on forums like AzB , where they are told that a strategy of kissing out early will "lose you more games than you'll win" , and the BCA certified instructors openly mock those of us who try to relate what it was like being a Road Player then (or now . . . )

Oh , and about that cue we were juicing back then ? 90% of the time it was BIG MUDDY on a coin-op , and todays players think it's hopeless even trying to draw that big b_stard . Masse' with MuddyBuddy? Unthinkable !




Ridinda9>>>>old enough to remember playing in the 80's (and the 70's !!):shakehead:
 
Thanks guys for the rep and nice words, but honestly it would be nice if you had nothing to thank me about if I hadn't had wrote that b/c the situation did not exist...

spread those thanks and rep around to guys like Ray "Big Truck" Hansen for his streams, Glenn "RKC" for his work with diamond, mark wilson for the tons of things he's done and continue to do, scott lee for all the miles he's logged spreading the gospel, marcus norwood for his afterschool program......

many people trying and doing great things in opposition to the eggheads. Help those people, make them get together more often, organize.

It's a war homies gotta choose a side and strap on your boots.

If your not in it to win it, then your in it to Sh$t in it.....and that don't fly.

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!! Keith don your costume we need ya brother! LMFAO
-Grey Ghost-
 
ridinda9 said:
Kids of today are taught that its wrong to play 9ball fast & loose .
They are taught never to play combinations because they are 'low-percentage shots' .
They are told to try and run out , ignoring the kiss shot .
The kids don't know better because they've never seen anyone who plays the game fast & loose.

Lots of the 80's style of play was owed to The Color of Money.
All the kids , and some of the grown-ups , wanted to be Vincent.
They wanted it "On the snap, Vincent!"
They wanted the kiss shot off the 1 , or the 2 . . .
So that's how they played.

There was very little pool being played on TV
The "9ball Classic @ Resorts International" didn't exist.
So where were the going to learn to play it differently ?
There was no internet , and there were precious few pool instructional videos available for the BetaMax . . .
And of course the top players ( hustlers , back then , and they weren't afraid to say it . . ) who had the knowledge didn't want to pass it on , less it be used against them !
There weren't even that many good books on the subject back then .

Of course , the other difference , part of the reality ( and I'm gonna be jumped for saying this !) is that in the 80's way more players were jacked up on coke or speed (or speedballs . . . ) . . . .
The drug-induced high made them feel invincible , and that feeling inspired some of the wild-ass plays which met with occasional success , which made the players that shot them seem like heroes.

So today they buy the instructional video , that teaches them fundamentals far beyond what anyone was using in the 80's , but at the same time it teaches them to play safe instead of running out.
They go on forums like AzB , where they are told that a strategy of kissing out early will "lose you more games than you'll win" , and the BCA certified instructors openly mock those of us who try to relate what it was like being a Road Player then (or now . . . )

Oh , and about that cue we were juicing back then ? 90% of the time it was BIG MUDDY on a coin-op , and todays players think it's hopeless even trying to draw that big b_stard . Masse' with MuddyBuddy? Unthinkable !




Ridinda9>>>>old enough to remember playing in the 80's (and the 70's !!):shakehead:
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dude speeds been around FOREVER, and now they got meth so that blows the cocaine theory out the window....players have always abused drugs when on the grind, not all but many
 
greyghost said:
most young people today don't have sack anyways....its not the game its a general attitude

can't walk around cocky if your scared lol

blame it on the pussification of america which happens to include things like the APA and their dilution of quality teams and players to make more money, and shoddy loose rules so everything is more "equal"

people used to have to get better to be equal to someone.....now they get equal served up on a silver platter in the leagues so no one has to work at anything to get better, b/c you can win without getting better.

Its like LD shafts imop its more of a money making thing than it is for betterment of the game. The apa and orginazations like that will do whatever they want b/c they got your money already.

Like the BCA telling us what to do or changing this or that. They don't do sh$t anyways so why are people listening to them.

Like not having a HOF induction....JESUS! Its not even a real hall of fame, it doesn't cost money to count a F*KING VOTE, and add a picture to an internet page.

Thank god for sane individuals like Steve Booth who started a REAL HOF thats ran by the public opinion.

The whole sport sucks and many of its industry leaders bailed on us long ago, and our investment angels are few and far between.....so why would the players be in any better position then 20yrs ago?

Slowly but surely the games being turned into snooker.....its boring.....9 ball is supposed to be exciting the way we play? SH*T is BORING

It makes it even worse when leagues make up their own rules and turn 8 ball into 9 ball and allow illegal strokes and bla bla bla.....PUSSIFICATION OF AMERICA.....EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE EQUAL without work these days.

Thats why Earl is complaining about the break.....like Corey unlocking the 9 ball rack with his break using the Sardo......ITS A GAFF

how abouts making the wing 82/83? You know what thats called.....A TRICK SHOT! Mike Massey does them you may have heard of him. But they should put him in the guiness book of world records for longest gaff rack streak in history without a miss. I'd love to have to play someone doing that in the US Open rack your own, so long as he showed me how he racks b/f the match so at least I could gaff it too, get it back even know what I'm sayin lol

This is why I love one pocket so much.....better rules make the game more equal to either player(as opposed to making the players equal in the game), which means no or less gaff BS.
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Gee greyghost, we need to have you come out of your shell and tell us what you really think! Don't be so timid all the time.
 
8ballEinstein said:
Gee greyghost, we need to have you come out of your shell and tell us what you really think! Don't be so timid all the time.
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there are children here son :) lol.....I'm no diplomat so I gotta watch my mouth to a degree b/c I will tell you exactly on my mind if the time and place is right.

I could also sugar coat it and lie.....but homie don't play that! (like when I was asked who Eddie Wheat was the other day? LMFAO that was a great conversation)

I'm sort of like Patrick Johnson is on the aiming threads.....very cut and dry straight to the point no BS. I'm sure Pat takes pride in his positions he takes and so do I:wink:

Just some things dont belong on TV, know what I mean vern?

-Grey Ghost-
 
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jlrowe said:
What has happened to pool players of the younger generation. The players of today seem so methodical, analytical and to eager to play safe if its not a sure thing. Most shoot like they are robots. In the 80's a lot of players were fast and loose, confident, ran around the table with a cocky attitude pocketing everything in site. Jucing up whitey when necessary. It was like it wasnt about the money but about respect. It made for great action. Not like the safety playing robots of today. I know back then it was Gold Crowns and they were more forgiving than the Diamonds of today. Is this what happened? I dont know. What happened?:shrug:
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All those players are now grown up. Nothing to fall back on, but pool alone. Play safe, play the precentages (sounds like a quote from a GREAT movie). Too much WORLDLY talent wiping their feet on our door step and taking the cash on the way out!

Make every tourament with a seven-second shot clock and you will see 80's pool here in the US again. Free wheeling here we come.


Fast and loose, losing to slow and steady!
 
greyghost said:
dude speeds been around FOREVER, and now they got meth so that blows the cocaine theory out the window....players have always abused drugs when on the grind, not all but many
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I only said that that was 'part' of it back then.
Yes , speed has been around forever , but you don't see actual 'speed freaks' today like you did back then .
recreational coke use today is NOTHING like it's heyday in the 80's.
And a tweeker methhead is a different critter - believe me , I've seen both.
Guy doing the occasional toot , and a guy with a crystal habit are worlds apart.

remember , the 80's gave us celebrities setting themselves on fire trying to freebase on a regular basis ( Richard , Micheal , etc ) . . . . .
 
jlrowe said:
What has happened to pool players of the younger generation. The players of today seem so methodical, analytical and to eager to play safe if its not a sure thing. Most shoot like they are robots. In the 80's a lot of players were fast and loose, confident, ran around the table with a cocky attitude pocketing everything in site. Jucing up whitey when necessary. It was like it wasnt about the money but about respect. It made for great action. Not like the safety playing robots of today. I know back then it was Gold Crowns and they were more forgiving than the Diamonds of today. Is this what happened? I dont know. What happened?:shrug:
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I think pool today is all about the money, it's no longer the action any more, the money is more important than the win or loss. I think in the old days the money was secondary to taking down your opponent, and by winning against a strong opponent it increased ones prestige. Also when you got busted you were out there looking for your next meal and roof to put over your head that night.

Now with all the ridiculous bets and with most if not all of the players playing with money supplied by backers and not their own the risk of losing everything is almost nonexistent so the adrenaline and fear of loss is also missing which I think contributes to what you are saying above.

JIMO
 
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