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dockiv

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I am having a hard time understanding why people think that cues such as Players, Varner, Fury and other overseas made cues are no good? I f they are using the same woods and Parts and American Quality control wha t is the Problem? The inexpensive made Viking and Mcdermott Cues are better because they are made here in the States?
And what about Lucasi? Made in China...But people love them....What am i Missing?
Not trying to stir it up...the fact is i really don't understand
 
nothing is wrong with them

if you don't mind sending our dollars out of the country to owners of sweat shops that use child labor.
 
dockiv said:
I am having a hard time understanding why people think that cues such as Players, Varner, Fury and other overseas made cues are no good? I f they are using the same woods and Parts and American Quality control wha t is the Problem? The inexpensive made Viking and Mcdermott Cues are better because they are made here in the States?
And what about Lucasi? Made in China...But people love them....What am i Missing?
Not trying to stir it up...the fact is i really don't understand
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I'm having a hard time understanding where you got the idea that they used "the same woods and Parts and American Quality control"?????
 
Those production cues you are talking about are built in a few hours and very cheap wood is used in theirs build.You can see on youtube the all proces of some of those.They can play good as any other cue can,but the question is for how long and will the consistency be near to custom build cues from cuemakers who does know what are they doing and who does use first class wood.
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dakraljic said:
Those production cues you are talking about are built in a few hours and very cheap wood is used in theirs build.You can see on youtube the all proces of some of those.They can play good as any other cue can,but the question is for how long and will the consistency be near to custom build cues from cuemakers who does know what are they doing and who does use firs class wood.
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Another problem, particularly with very popular cues (or any other products) is that they may be produced my multiple cue making companies in multiple factories, where standards can vary dramatically.
 
I have had my Lucasi made in China cue for 5 years now. Other then the weight bolt coming loose it still is just as good as the day I bought.
Still straight, no funny noises and plays well.
As far as buying Chinese made goods I don't care.
 
desi2960 said:
if you don't mind sending our dollars out of the country to owners of sweat shops that use child labor.
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Can you name any foreign cue makers that are sweat shops that use child labor? I have visited several in Asia and never seen the conditions you describe.
 
desi2960 said:
if you don't mind sending our dollars out of the country to owners of sweat shops that use child labor.
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Is his a fact or are you just winging that comment.If it is a fact,please let us know what factory your talking about,cause I sure know of none that are using child slave labor to build pool cues.
IMO,your comment has not a ounce of proof but you are entitled to what you
believe is the truth.
 
plus the TO is talking about "foreign" manufacturers, ive seen custom cues " not made in USA" that played great. if you talk about materials is a different thing. most "cheap" cues now have laminated shafts so wood quality doesnt matter. a high quality shaft wood will allways cost some bugs more....
 
desi2960 said:
if you don't mind sending our dollars out of the country to owners of sweat shops that use child labor.
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No child labor at the cue factories I visited. Only state of the art cue production.






cuesmith said:
I'm having a hard time understanding where you got the idea that they used "the same woods and Parts and American Quality control"?????
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Let me help you then. After being taught by American cue makers and after studying the production process at American factories the top two Chinese makers use the same methods that American cue makers do. The buy wood and parts from many of the same suppliers.

As for quality control. If you can pick up the cues from the top makers here and say they are not good cues for the money you have a real bias.

I challenge anyone to make a list of what makes a good cue and we can send some random cues from the top production brands to an independent lab to be dissected and we will see how they all compare.
 
I think the main difference isn't the materials but maybe the attention to detail in production cue. I think pechauer makes the best production cue, better than a foreign made one, possibly but if so it's because of the process and care not material
 
TommyLee said:
I think the main difference isn't the materials but maybe the attention to detail in production cue. I think pechauer makes the best production cue, better than a foreign made one, possibly but if so it's because of the process and care not material
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How many foreign cue factories have you been in? I have been to many and also been to Pechauer's facility.

Point being that it is hard to make a statement about process without knowing the process.
 
Yeah my punctuation didnt help that any. I was saying that possibly they could be better and if they are it's probably process not material.
 
TommyLee said:
Yeah my punctuation didnt help that any. I was saying that possibly they could be better and if they are it's probably process not material.
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I see. Well for what it's worth, if talking about China there are great factories and mediocre ones and lousy ones. But overall the quality of the cues has risen dramatically in the past 10 years. It's hard to buy a "bad" cue these days.

I detest blanket statements about Chinese quality since I live here and see the whole spectrum from incredibly crappy to incredibly well-made.

A quick story; in 1991 I bought 10 cues from a pool room. USA made brand new cues, now a well known brand. Back then the brand was unknown to me but the cues were very nice looking. I bought them for friend in Germany to resell. Took them to the house and was inspecting them and found a loose joint. It screwed right off. Turns out all 10 had joints that would come right off. Seems that someone in the factory had forgotten to glue them and because they were threaded they got all the way to the retailer without anyone noticing.

Well the retailer sent them back, the factory overnighted 10 new ones and all was good. Point is that even the most well respected brands can have issues once in a while.

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I have taken several people through the Fury factory. I have detailed the process many times here. I don't think that a Fury cue is any less of a cue than any production cue made anywhere on the planet and I am willing to bet on it standing up very well in independent tests. FWIW I have the nuts here because I have seen the bandsawed examples of many other production cues alongside the Fury and know with 100% certainty that in an independent test the Fury would be found to be one of the better made cues.
 
Absolutely, with most anything production you'll have a worker get complacent and mistakes happen. Right now in the for sale there's an 8 pt purpleheart and ebony jd cue. Looks real good, inexpensive. Thought about giving it a shot . A lot of made in America is a pride thing but don't worry jb I just got one of your cases lol it's a rare one I do believe well sort off. And it's awesome quality btw
 
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