Foul or no foul?

[PoolBum]

If you are playing cueball only fouls in 9-ball and a player bridges over a ball to strike the cueball and inadvertently touches the ball he is bridging over with his cue when he shoots but otherwise makes a legal hit on the object ball is it a foul? (suppose the ball he was bridging over barely moves and does not end up anywhere near the path of the cueball or any other balls on the shot)

 

[WesleyW]

I don't know. But if that's not a foul. I would pick up the 9-ball lay it near the pocket and double/carom the 9-ball.

 

[BVal]

If he accidentally touched the ball he was bridging over it is not a foul. I have done this before but anytime that has happened I stand up and tell the person I touched it or if it moved slightly then I ask if they want it moved back.
I would say that this is not a foul though. after the shot is over I think you have the choice to move the ball back or leave it where it is.

BVal

 

[orangecrush]

It's not a foul. You have the option of either leaving the ball that was touched where it lays after being touched or moving it back to the original spot....

Shane

 

[9ballrun]

You stated that you were playing cue ball fouls only so no that would not be a foul. If you were playing all ball of course then it would be.

 

[cigardave]

If he accidentally touched the ball he was bridging over it is not a foul. I have done this before but anytime that has happened I stand up and tell the person I touched it or if it moved slightly then I ask if they want it moved back.
I would say that this is not a foul though. after the shot is over I think the opponent has the choice to move the ball back or leave it where it is. And it IS a foul if the shooter repositions the ball without asking (and receiving permission to do so).

BVal

I agree with BVal... with the clarifications I made in red.

 

[BVal]

I agree with BVal... with the clarifications I made in red.

Thanks Dave. I meant for it to come out that way.
When I said "you have the choice" I was referring to the OP as he was sitting down and his opponent touched the ball. After reading it back over I see where I made the confusion.

BVal

 

[abbassi]

Thanks Dave. I meant for it to come out that way.
When I said "you have the choice" I was referring to the OP as he was sitting down and his opponent touched the ball. After reading it back over I see where I made the confusion.

BVal

If it is cue ball foul only, then not a foul.

Unless, The ball he touched is the next ball in succesion.

Example, shooting the 4 and touched the five. Then it is a foul.

 

[PoolBum]

If it is cue ball foul only, then not a foul.

Unless, The ball he touched is the next ball in succesion.

Example, shooting the 4 and touched the five. Then it is a foul.

That is interesting.

One of my opponents in a tournament last night called the tournament director over to watch a shot where I was bridging over a ball to shoot. I said it was cueball only fouls and that therefore even if I inadvertently moved the ball I was bridging over it would not be a foul (opponent then has the option of replacing the ball where it was or leaving it).

My opponent said that even playing cueball only fouls if a player is bridging over a ball and moves the ball it is a foul.

 

[cigardave]

My opponent said that even playing cueball only fouls if a player is bridging over a ball and moves the ball it is a foul.

He's delerious.

 

[BVal]

That is interesting.

One of my opponents in a tournament last night called the tournament director over to watch a shot where I was bridging over a ball to shoot. I said it was cueball only fouls and that therefore even if I inadvertently moved the ball I was bridging over it would not be a foul (opponent then has the option of replacing the ball where it was or leaving it).

My opponent said that even playing cueball only fouls if a player is bridging over a ball and moves the ball it is a foul.

I think it might be a foul if he hits or moves the ball after he has struck the cue ball but I am not sure on that.

BVal

 

[RascalDoc]

under APA rules, and some tournament rules

If he accidentally touched the ball he was bridging over it is not a foul. I have done this before but anytime that has happened I stand up and tell the person I touched it or if it moved slightly then I ask if they want it moved back.
I would say that this is not a foul though. after the shot is over I think you have the choice to move the ball back or leave it where it is.

BVal

Under APA rules you no longer have an option, the ball MUST be moved back. In a weekly 9 ball tournament here in Hollywood, its a judgement call, your opponents, as to moving it back, but not a foul.

 

[randyg]

If it is cue ball foul only, then not a foul.

Unless, The ball he touched is the next ball in succesion.

Example, shooting the 4 and touched the five. Then it is a foul.

WOW! Where can I find that rule......SPF=randyg

 

[BVal]

WOW! Where can I find that rule......SPF=randyg

I have never hear that rule either - I don't play in leagues anymore but the tourneys I play in use BCA rules and the other player has the option to move it back or leave it. If you move it back before asking the other player it is a foul.

BVal

 

[crawfish]

I agree with BVal... with the clarifications I made in red.

Outstanding answer! Exactly the rule. And the prize is.............

 

[mattman]

I always thought "cue ball foul only", meant just that.

All this talk about moving balls and having the opponent move them back reminded me of one night last year. I was playing in league a couple sessions ago and the opponent bumped one of the balls. The game was eight ball and the ball she bumped was a dead combo aimed for the corner pocket. I made her move the ball about 4 times before she placed it where I wanted. I then shot the dead combo directly after she placed the ball. I think she was a little upset, thinking I was just having her set up a dead combo for me. I had walked the table well, right after the break, so I KNEW for a fact that the combo was dead on.

 

[Flex]

That is interesting.

One of my opponents in a tournament last night called the tournament director over to watch a shot where I was bridging over a ball to shoot. I said it was cueball only fouls and that therefore even if I inadvertently moved the ball I was bridging over it would not be a foul (opponent then has the option of replacing the ball where it was or leaving it).

My opponent said that even playing cueball only fouls if a player is bridging over a ball and moves the ball it is a foul.

Nice shark attack. He's wrong. There are people who will say or do almost anything to win. Sounds like he's one of that ilk.

Flex

 

[str8poolbanger]

If it is cue ball foul only, then not a foul.

Unless, The ball he touched is the next ball in succesion.

Example, shooting the 4 and touched the five. Then it is a foul.

I played this way near Pittsburgh, PA. Grew up playing this way and always thought it was the "proper" way to play.

 

[Flex]

I played this way near Pittsburgh, PA. Grew up playing this way and always thought it was the "proper" way to play.

People are free to make up any rules they want. However, in a tournament setting, the rules by which they will play are usually stipulated before the action starts. Unless the locals want to gang up on some hapless outsider. That does sometimes happen, BTW. And then there are those TDs who make rules up as they go along. Not mentioning any names.

Flex

 

[Bob Jewett]

If you are playing cueball only fouls in 9-ball and a player bridges over a ball to strike the cueball and inadvertently touches the ball he is bridging over with his cue when he shoots but otherwise makes a legal hit on the object ball is it a foul? (suppose the ball he was bridging over barely moves and does not end up anywhere near the path of the cueball or any other balls on the shot)

As others have said, the shot probably isn't a foul the way that most people play in the US. The "you can't touch the next ball in numerical order" rule seems to be a regional thing and doesn't appear in any written set of rules I've seen.

However.... "Cue ball fouls only" does not mean what it says. If some ball set in motion by the shot comes back and hits the ball that was touched, the shot would be a foul. If the player touches the object ball intentionally, such as a beginner who might put his hand down right on the ball to form a bridge, then the shot is a foul. In many places, if more than a certain number of balls are moved, it is a foul. Also, if the player grabs the moved ball and puts it back without permission, the shot is a foul.

One player from this area will intentionally pull the blocking object ball back with his stick on the backstroke to clear the way for the cue stick on the forward stroke. He's pretty smooth with the move. It's a foul.