Foul Question

[dmgwalsh]

Playing straight pool cue ball fouls only.

After shooting a shot, the side of your ferrule brushes some balls loose in the rack. Is this a foul?

If the cue ball, after the same shot where you loosen some balls by brushing your ferrule against them, either hits one of the balls you moved or goes through the spot vacated by the ball you moved, is this a foul?

If , after the same shot, your cue ball breaks some balls loose that either then go on to hit one of the balls you moved or then go through the spot vacated by the cue ball, is this a foul?

 

[Bob Jewett]

Playing straight pool cue ball fouls only.
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Basically, if it is not possible for your opponent to restore the position if he so chooses after the accidental movement, it is a foul.

These would be fouls:

1. You put the touched ball back without getting permission.
2. You move more than one ball (many tournaments, including the US Open 9-ball).
3. A ball set in motion as part of the shot touches the touched ball.
4. A ball set in motion as part of the shot passes through where the touched ball was.

If you and your opponent get along, just play all fouls.

 

[dmgwalsh]

Basically, if it is not possible for your opponent to restore the position if he so chooses after the accidental movement, it is a foul.

These would be fouls:

1. You put the touched ball back without getting permission.
2. You move more than one ball (many tournaments, including the US Open 9-ball).
3. A ball set in motion as part of the shot touches the touched ball.
4. A ball set in motion as part of the shot passes through where the touched ball was.

If you and your opponent get along, just play all fouls.

Thanks, Bob. We play cue ball fouls only in both our straight pool leagues and I thought I knew what that meant, but maybe not.

So if more than one ball moves, that is considered a foul when you are playing cue ball fouls only?

So if, subjectively, my opponent says he does not know how to restore the position, then that is also a foul when playing cue ball fouls only?

It's probably the case that "cue ball fouls only" is not very precise and it means what you agree that it means.

Perhaps we should change to all fouls count.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... So if more than one ball moves, that is considered a foul when you are playing cue ball fouls only? ...

That's the way it is played in a lot of tournaments.

During the 2007 WPA rules revision meeting, the group decided not to propose a cue-ball-fouls-only rule. It seems that everywhere in the world other than the US, players manage to play by all the rules. In the final form of the 2008 WPA Rules and Regulations, the CFO rule turned up in the Regulations. Regulations are often suggestions and not very precise.

In reality, you are on your own. If you are playing CFO in league, you probably should have a written explanation. At the same time, you could allow the players to play all fouls if both players agree to it.

 

[pdcue]

That's the way it is played in a lot of tournaments.

During the 2007 WPA rules revision meeting, the group decided not to propose a cue-ball-fouls-only rule. It seems that everywhere in the world other than the US, players manage to play by all the rules. In the final form of the 2008 WPA Rules and Regulations, the CFO rule turned up in the Regulations. Regulations are often suggestions and not very precise.

In reality, you are on your own. If you are playing CFO in league, you probably should have a written explanation. At the same time, you could allow the players to play all fouls if both players agree to it.

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"It seems that everywhere in the world other than the US, players manage to play by all the rules"
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Such a good point - this used to be quite a pet peeve for me.

IMHO - CFO seems to create more problems and confussion than
it solves, or at least the potential for problems.

Dale