Frank paradise cue
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I've not seen one. I'll see if I can find out what he used. Do you know the year of the ad, Joe?
Chris
Here's the scoop on the "scratch proof' shafts.
Both Paradise and Palmer made shafts for a short while using a wood that was highly compressed. The wood was as dense as granite with weight to match but there was no special finish on it. They were really solid shafts, but the problem was the weight, so neither of Palmer or Paradise made too many of them. The shaft weighed at least 6 ounces and made the cue much too front heavy.
Anyway, this is the story on these shafts - they appeared briefly and were a novelty that never caught on.
Chris
Both Paradise and Palmer made shafts for a short while using a wood that was highly compressed. The wood was as dense as granite with weight to match but there was no special finish on it. They were really solid shafts, but the problem was the weight, so neither of Palmer or Paradise made too many of them. The shaft weighed at least 6 ounces and made the cue much too front heavy.
Anyway, this is the story on these shafts - they appeared briefly and were a novelty that never caught on.
Chris
Paradise
I think this has gone on long enough. I started a post to learn more about my Paradise cues which is what the forum is all about. In all of your posts to me or the other posters you have ONLY cast NEGATIVE and attacking remarks about legitimacy of the cue and disparaging remarks to some people like Joe V, Tate, and manwon who have probably forgot more about cues than you know. They also seem to have double the passion you do as they are positive and forth coming with information. You offer nothing, except to bad mouth. Are you jealous of not owning this cue or of some of the experts that have offered up some wonderful information. I have asked you your name a few times but you seem to be hiding behind your computer. I asked a few times for you to post some pictures of your Paradise cues since you said you have a collection for our viewing pleasure and you have provided none. Maybe you do not have any cues. Anyway quit badgering these great guys on my post that have helped me greatly as that is not in my opinion the reason for the forum. Now if you want to come out of the woodwork I would like to offer this to you. I am very confidant that this cue is real and I would like it documented should I sell it to someone. Lets send the cue to Pete along with 20,000 each and the person that is right takes the money home. Are you in????? Randy
I think this has gone on long enough. I started a post to learn more about my Paradise cues which is what the forum is all about. In all of your posts to me or the other posters you have ONLY cast NEGATIVE and attacking remarks about legitimacy of the cue and disparaging remarks to some people like Joe V, Tate, and manwon who have probably forgot more about cues than you know. They also seem to have double the passion you do as they are positive and forth coming with information. You offer nothing, except to bad mouth. Are you jealous of not owning this cue or of some of the experts that have offered up some wonderful information. I have asked you your name a few times but you seem to be hiding behind your computer. I asked a few times for you to post some pictures of your Paradise cues since you said you have a collection for our viewing pleasure and you have provided none. Maybe you do not have any cues. Anyway quit badgering these great guys on my post that have helped me greatly as that is not in my opinion the reason for the forum. Now if you want to come out of the woodwork I would like to offer this to you. I am very confidant that this cue is real and I would like it documented should I sell it to someone. Lets send the cue to Pete along with 20,000 each and the person that is right takes the money home. Are you in????? Randy
canwin
Don't let this Randy dude high-roll you!
Stick by your guns and superior knowledge!
Post with Pete!
Post and lets see who's smart.
I'm behind you 100% of the way.
Post up and take down the cheese!
Thanks
Kevin
PS Its a pretty cool cue, even if it was really made by that painter guy on TV.
PSS I think that Tate character is bluffing too, I don't think he knows his stuff and has an evil anti-Paradise agenda! Post 20K with Tascarella, sounds like an easy score.
PSS I called the phone number that Joe guy posted and Frank is not there! So he's full of it too. Post with Tasc and take down the cheese.
PSSS Don't let Randy high roll you. If you don't have the dough handy, grab some pals to put a corporation together! As smart and as knowledgeable as you clearly are I'm sure you'll have no problem putting together a group to feed on these boasters!
Don't let this Randy dude high-roll you!
Stick by your guns and superior knowledge!
Post with Pete!
Post and lets see who's smart.
I'm behind you 100% of the way.
Post up and take down the cheese!
Thanks
Kevin
PS Its a pretty cool cue, even if it was really made by that painter guy on TV.
PSS I think that Tate character is bluffing too, I don't think he knows his stuff and has an evil anti-Paradise agenda! Post 20K with Tascarella, sounds like an easy score.
PSS I called the phone number that Joe guy posted and Frank is not there! So he's full of it too. Post with Tasc and take down the cheese.
PSSS Don't let Randy high roll you. If you don't have the dough handy, grab some pals to put a corporation together! As smart and as knowledgeable as you clearly are I'm sure you'll have no problem putting together a group to feed on these boasters!
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Randy
That's a great cue. Thanks for posting it.
I love the information you can get on this forum, you can learn in a few days what it would of taken years and years to sift through before.
I'd like to apologize for the troll posts, it does seem to be the order of the day here at AZ (which is OK, for me it just adds to that "pool hall" feel to have some idiot nay-sayer taking a dump on everything).
Great historical cue and a super addition to your collection.
Thanks again
Kevin
That's a great cue. Thanks for posting it.
I love the information you can get on this forum, you can learn in a few days what it would of taken years and years to sift through before.
I'd like to apologize for the troll posts, it does seem to be the order of the day here at AZ (which is OK, for me it just adds to that "pool hall" feel to have some idiot nay-sayer taking a dump on everything).
Great historical cue and a super addition to your collection.
Thanks again
Kevin
Sir you are the dim light bulb in the box. I have never made any negative comments about Frank Paradise or his cues. He was certainly an innovator and made major contributions to cue making as we know it today.
No one really cares very much if you are going let others make comments or not. Especially since the people adding information to this thread have forgotten more information concerning the subject than you presently know about it.
As far opinions here is mine, do some research and stop making comments that are not even genuine thoughts, if you do not think that Mr. Paradise was eccentric that also shows you lack of knowledge. There is no such thing as a Truly / 100% completely warp resistant shaft or scratch resistant shaft these words are Fluff and nothing more, any shaft will warp or become scratched and that includes fiberglass shafts. That is based upon my limited cue making experience, but mainly based upon all the repair and restoration work I do on modern and antique cues.
Oh and by the way, I don't collect cues. If you have two cues you have more than me, I only build and repair them. I am a poor welfare recipient who can only wish to own such works of art, so in other words I work to eat!! But, I do eat pretty well:smile:
Have a wonderful day
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Canwin,
I don't know you but I believe that Frank Paradise is the most underrated cuemaker of the 1960's. He started trends that are still done today. I have said this multiple times, and even have a great web page with information about Mr. Paradise and an old interview posted. Being from NJ, and growing up very close to the epicenter of the NJ cuemaking universe, I've seen a lot of cues.
Paradise's influence cannot be measured, sure Palmer turned it up a notch and were way better at making the cues neater. But Frank made certain cues first and was the first to experiment heavily with other materials. Using guitar inlays, plastics, etc... Also Frank made cues for many pro's of that era as we have had quite a few.
I had a 12.5 mm scratch and warp resistant shaft and it was 5.5 oz. These shafts cannot be mistaken for anything else.
No one is dissing Frank Paradise, he was instrumental in cue design and the look of the modern cue.
JV
I don't know you but I believe that Frank Paradise is the most underrated cuemaker of the 1960's. He started trends that are still done today. I have said this multiple times, and even have a great web page with information about Mr. Paradise and an old interview posted. Being from NJ, and growing up very close to the epicenter of the NJ cuemaking universe, I've seen a lot of cues.
Paradise's influence cannot be measured, sure Palmer turned it up a notch and were way better at making the cues neater. But Frank made certain cues first and was the first to experiment heavily with other materials. Using guitar inlays, plastics, etc... Also Frank made cues for many pro's of that era as we have had quite a few.
I had a 12.5 mm scratch and warp resistant shaft and it was 5.5 oz. These shafts cannot be mistaken for anything else.
No one is dissing Frank Paradise, he was instrumental in cue design and the look of the modern cue.
JV
Kevin, I almost shit myself reading your advise to Can'twin. I mean the guy is a little annoying, however, I think in his own way he means well. I think for some unknown or spoken reason he thinks this thread is attacking Mr. Paradise. Hopeful his reading comprehension will improve and he will take your post as tactfully Sarcastic!!!!!!
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Thanks for the information Joe, I appreciate it very much. I can only imagine how forward heavy that would make a cue. I also imagine that one of those shafts would make a 3 Cushion Billiards Shaft flexible in comparison.
Thanks again Joe.
Tate is awesome:
1) He really knows so much and is always looking to know more.
2) He shares generously in an arena where so many of those who know anything tend to guard their information jealously.
3) He is way unbiased and clear in his presentation.
I had been away from pool for about 25 years (and didn't know anything about cues when I stopped the first time). I sold an expensive cue on eBay and through that I met Tate. He was kind enough to call me into his office and we spent hours with him helping me learn in every way he could.
Still does. My current interest in cues, is due, in large part, to Tate.
He, and guys like him, are what makes AZ great.
Thanks for appreciating him,
Kevin
Chris, the ignore function works wonders, does for me, anyway!
Thanks - Looks like Canwin is banned and his derogatory posts were removed. Oh well, better him than me!
Thanks Mike and Dave - I should have probably backed off a little myself.
For the record, I actually do play pool a little in case anyone else is curious, and I don't actually know what a tweeker is.
Chris
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