Frost vs. Sigel

onepocketchump said:
Mark my words - as good as Efren is - Mike Sigel is every bit as good. When he gets back in the game you will see him begin to be just as powerful an opponent.

John - has seen plenty of Mike in top form
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I don't think Sigel will ever get back into form. Too long of a layoff from just playing and the pressure of playing. How many months ago was his 'Championship' over Loree Jon Jones, and he still can't beat any of the top players heads up.

I don't know about 14.1 because I have never seen Scott play it but in one pocket he would bar b q Sigel, to a crisp.:eek:
 
Efren one pocket

I haven't heard of Scott barking at Efren to match up[/QUOTE said:
I think Efren plays about 3 balls stronger in one pocket then anyone in the world right now. Im not a Efren Groupie either, but whats undeniable is just exactly that UNDENIABLE.

Mack
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watchez said:
I don't think Sigel will ever get back into form. Too long of a layoff from just playing and the pressure of playing. How many months ago was his 'Championship' over Loree Jon Jones, and he still can't beat any of the top players heads up.

I don't know about 14.1 because I have never seen Scott play it but in one pocket he would bar b q Sigel, to a crisp.:eek:
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I only see mike being the poster boy, for maybe another year, until he keeps getting beat. I think Mike has nothing on the top 5 pro's in the IPT, if fact right now he couldn't even hold there lunch, let alone there cue stick.

Mack
 
RickW wrote:I understand Cliff Joiner is probably the best money player in 1h next to Efren and I wonder how Billy and Cliff would match up

Now you're talkin'! I'd like to see that myself. I've only seen Billy's 1P game at the 2005 DCC, where he gave Efren a real battle. Did Billy not come to the DCC last month, cuz I didn't hear or see anything about him. You're right about Cliff; I don't think anyone wants too much of him even (exception, Efren), but you never know. When two great 1P players collide, anything can happen, and big-time 1P offers some of the best drama and "sweatability" of all cue sports (IF you know and appreciate the game). Almost forgot, how do Billy and Tony Chohan match up at 1P?
 
I wonder how Mike Segal would have faired in the tournament if he were to have competed this past weekend:rolleyes: .
 
onepocketchump said:
Why on earth would you think that Scott should beat Mike at 14.1? I will give you the one pocket since Scott is the expert in that game, 9 ball and 8 ball are a tossup and in straight pool Mike has the edge in my opinion.

Several years ago Mike ran over 300 balls from the first shot he took. So Scott beat Alex and Corey beat Scott and I haven't heard of Scott barking at Efren to match up even so I am going to guess that one pocket can go different ways among the top players having seen it firsthand.

Mark my words - as good as Efren is - Mike Sigel is every bit as good. When he gets back in the game you will see him begin to be just as powerful an opponent.

John - has seen plenty of Mike in top form
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In 1-pocket Sigel couldn't beat Efren even when he was in top form. If Efren cared for straight pool at all, he would probably be the best there ever was in that game too. Mike is all talk now, he will never get back in stroke. He is also a scumbag, he's got money now so he's trying squeeze every penny he can out of his new best friend, and now Virtual Pool.
 
There's an excellent tape of Sigel playing one pocket against Johnny Ervolino that accu-stats made a number of years ago. Worth looking for on Ebay, I think its out of print right now,
 
jnav447 said:
I watched Mike play a lot of 9-ball and 14.1, but I don't remember ever seeing him play 1P. Tried to find something with a Google search; no luck, but did see on his home page where he has won 102 major tournements - that's just mind-boggling. Saw Frost just dismantle Alex the Lion at the 2004 DCC in a $ 1P match, and from all I've heard, he's right there with the elite 1P players in the world. If there is one person glad to see Mike in the mix now, it's probably Earl. To paraphrase Eddie Murphy: "there's a new lightning rod in town and his name is Mike Sigel". Maybe some of the poolworld heat will be shifted. Thanks for the first-hand reporting from the people that were there.
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During Mikes road days, BANKS was one of his best games. He told me this about 10 years ago at a tourny. So, that added to his obvious all around knowledge, and you got one hell of a 1P player, which he is I'm sure.....

check his name out here in the record books! http://onepocket.org/records.htm

Gerry
 
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jnav447 said:
I watched Mike play a lot of 9-ball and 14.1, but I don't remember ever seeing him play 1P. Tried to find something with a Google search; no luck, but did see on his home page where he has won 102 major tournements - that's just mind-boggling. Saw Frost just dismantle Alex the Lion at the 2004 DCC in a $ 1P match, and from all I've heard, he's right there with the elite 1P players in the world. If there is one person glad to see Mike in the mix now, it's probably Earl. To paraphrase Eddie Murphy: "there's a new lightning rod in town and his name is Mike Sigel". Maybe some of the poolworld heat will be shifted. Thanks for the first-hand reporting from the people that were there.
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Mike has a one pocket title. I believe in one year he won the U.S. Open 9 Ball, U.S. Open Straight Pool, and the Legends of One Pocket. Mike is a sloutch at no game. Might be rusty...but no sloutch.
 
Sigel in straight pool

Not to take anything away from Frost's game, but if Sigel is anything close to being in stroke ,Frost has NO CHANCE in straight pool. Like him or not, sigel is a champion at that game.
 
Back in the early nineties, Efren was quoted to say something to the effect of "the only player to give me a problem is Mike Sigel". This is no BS, I'm sure some research will validate this (maybe in BD?). This coming from Efren should carry some weight about Sigel's abilities. My money is on Sigel.

ghost ball
 
> Scott is a HELL of a one-pocket player,but do people really think Sigel is a slouch at it? He's the winningest player EVER. Regardless of the game being played,he won tournaments at ALL the "American" games. If Scott really thinks he can win here,let him woof,I'm all for it,because I'd like to see the game happen. What I think will happen is Scott will find out that is that he let his eyes get bigger than his stomach. Even though Sigel was never known to be that great of a one-pocket player,or even gambler,he has still beaten and probably spotted guys Scott hasn't beat even yet. This is all assuming they play one-pocket,Scott has a chance there,but I think he'll lose. If they play 8-9 ball,and it doesn't become a breaking contest,Sigel wins period. If they play 14.1,NO CHANCE. Banks could go either way,but I'd expect Sigel to win every tactical exchange. I still think Scott is a HELL of a player,but this is THE MAN he's woofing at. Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
f Scott really thinks he can win here,let him woof,I'm all for it,because I'd like to see the game happen.
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Sigel was the one who started woofing at Scott. I asked him about it today. Then, when Scott called his bluff on the bet, well ... as you can see, no game took place -- and it wasn't because Scott didn't want to play.
 
Jimmy M. said:
Sigel was the one who started woofing at Scott. I asked him about it today. Then, when Scott called his bluff on the bet, well ... as you can see, no game took place -- and it wasn't because Scott didn't want to play.
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I was Standing there, when Mike started talking crap. Scott called him on it, and Mike started saying I need sleep long day tomorrow, will play sat or sunday. Scott was pushing to match up really hard at this time, but mike would not.

Mack
 
ghost ball said:
Back in the early nineties, Efren was quoted to say something to the effect of "the only player to give me a problem is Mike Sigel". This is no BS, I'm sure some research will validate this (maybe in BD?). This coming from Efren should carry some weight about Sigel's abilities. My money is on Sigel.

ghost ball
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I heard Sigel say on an Accu-Stats tape that his favorite player was Mike Sigel (he pronounced it SeeeGawll). When asked "why" he replied, "When he get up...he can jus' play. He know how to play." From Efren that is a heck of a compliment. LOL!
 
clolson said:
sigel = overrated................................for sure:)
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Hey hero.... you gotta do something about that abnormously humongeraneous signature you have there....

and my money is on Frost for 1p
 
jnav447 said:
I watched Mike play a lot of 9-ball and 14.1, but I don't remember ever seeing him play 1P. .
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Steve Booth of OnePocket.org has a nice site of most of the major 1-pocket events over the last several decades.

http://www.onepocket.org/records.htm

Sigel has two titles on that page, though neither is listed as a "Major Event." He also has a couple of runner-ups.

In his list of 100 titles, I thought I saw a World One-Pocket title on Sigel's resumé, but it could have been a U.S. Open One-Pocket title.

Fred
 
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