FS 1880-1890 fancy Brunswick cue with vintage case

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Brunswick 1880-1890 four point 3 veneer cue with butterfly points in between. Ebony butt with mother of pearl nameplate with 3 veneers that are also repeated in the buttcap. Solid ivory joint with big aluminum pin. Butt is perfectly straight and in terrific condition.Shaft is straight and smooth with the original ivory ferrule. Comes with a very unique case like I have never seen anywhere before. It is lined with a gold felt. In need of repair of the end cap stitching and replacement of the buckle strap,lid strap and strap that threads through the buckle.

I am willing to take offers on this set, which is very rare and 120-130 years old. A remnant of the golden age of billiards.
 

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antique cue

Lenny, did you break your "0" button;) ?

No idea what a find like this will be worth, so I will let the market determine it.

The condition is truly amazing,just makes one wonder what this cue has seen.
 
Asking Price

OK I'll list the cue and case for 2500, serious offers will be entertained. Escrow available , I ship USPS Priority Mail fully insured, signature required. Paypal accepted.
 
If you want to see what the market will bear, put it on ebay at no reserve. Good luck!
 
I'll go $375......fwiw, if it's the original ivory ferrule or shaft for that matter, then it's not quite that old. Cues that old were ferruleless. Would think it is teens to twenties imo.
 
I would venture to say this was a one piece cue once upon a time that was converted at some point in its life, probably in the '40's or '50's. Nice cue.
 
Information

Here's 2 site that are very informative:

Guy Huybrechts site, very informative.
http://http://users.skynet.be/billard.billiards/index.htm
Norman Claire Billiard and snooker collection, terrifc historical information http://http://www.snookerheritage.co.uk/

Facts:
-This was not " reworked", this cue was msde at a time when joint pins were transitioning to being placed in the butt half. Still others were still placed in the shaft. Undetststand cue maker and player preferences would be on both sides for many years time. The Billuards Encylopedia clearly supports this.
-This cue most certainly was never a one piece cue, it most definately is not a conversion cue.
-Aluminum pins were in use prior to 1900.
-Cues of this style were sold by Brunswick over a period of 15-20 years in limited quantities, prior to the industrial revolution and WWI. There were Brunswick owned shops in Europe and eventually these craftsman were brought to the USA to make cues here. Cues with points/butterflys like this cue were made with marquetry inlays by European companies like Hénin Ainé in Paris france since the mid 1800's.
- Ivory ferrules were used as early as about 1820. Here is a link to a French marquetry cue form about 1850. http://http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=77846&page=2
 
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Asking price is $2500. I will consider reasonable offers. PLEASE PM any inquiries or offers.
Please defrain from the "bidding". I am sharing this cue and case so that it may be appreciated by all. If you have anything informative to add please do so, otherwise please limit the bantering.
 
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dbldown said:
Asking price is $2500. I will consider reasonable offers. PLEASE PM any inquiries or offers.
Please defrain from the "bidding". I am sharing this cue and case so that it may be appreciated by all. If you have anything informative to add please do so, otherwise please limit the bantering.
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cueaddictss hit pretty close - the cue has been re-worked,
as anyone familiar with pre-1930s cues could see from across the street.

It is a classy and clasic vintage conversion that has absolutely nothing
whatsoever to do with Norman Clair, or marquetry, or France, or 1890.

But I would still love to have one.

Dale(who observed the location of the pin)
 
pdcue said:
cueaddictss hit pretty close - the cue has been re-worked,
as anyone familiar with pre-1930s cues could see from across the street.

It is a classy and clasic vintage conversion that has absolutely nothing
whatsoever to do with Norman Clair, or marquetry, or France, or 1890.

But I would still love to have one.

Dale(who observed the location of the pin)
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I've seen other versions of this cue with similiar joints, they were made as 2 piece cues. This is not a conversion cue.

I am not implying it's a marquetry cue (there are no such inlays), it is made in the style of them as was popular between 1880-1910. Before mass production of cues at Brunswick with the factory labels. Do you know Brunswick had factories in France prior to 1900?

All of this information is available, to anyone who wishes to avail themselves of it.
 
dbldown said:
Asking price is $2500. I will consider reasonable offers. PLEASE PM any inquiries or offers.
Please defrain from the "bidding". I am sharing this cue and case so that it may be appreciated by all. If you have anything informative to add please do so, otherwise please limit the bantering.
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FYI - many who use this subForum feel anything listed "for sale" should
have a stated price. Any version of "make me an offer" is seen as
an auction.

That is probably why you got a few 'gentle reminders' proposed as bids.

Dale
 
dbldown said:
I've seen other versions of this cue with similiar joints, they were made as 2 piece cues. This is not a conversion cue.

I am not implying it's a marquetry cue (there are no such inlays), it is made in the style of them as was popular between 1880-1910. Before mass production of cues at Brunswick with the factory labels. Do you know Brunswick had factories in France prior to 1900?

All of this information is available, to anyone who wishes to avail themselves of it.
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I don't care if they had factories on the dark side of the moon in 324 BC.

That has nothing to do with this cue.

You seem to be revising your estimate to 1910, which likely does include
the correct timeframe for this cue.

BTW - do YOU know where brunswick had its FIRST factory?

Dale
 
pdcue said:
FYI - many who use this subForum feel anything listed "for sale" should
have a stated price. Any version of "make me an offer" is seen as
an auction.

That is probably why you got a few 'gentle reminders' proposed as bids.

Dale
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Understood, Asking price is $2500, feel free to make reasonable offers, thanks.

I am obtaining some expert opinions and will be sharing those soon. Looking to be 1880-1910 as a better estimate. Cues with these exact same points and butterflys were made back until about 1860 in Europe, most with extensive marquetry inlays. These cues were made into the early 20th century as a revival of older styles that was vouge in this time period. I can imagine a cue like this paired with a Brunswick Monarch table with the lions in the frame that date to 1880.

The first Brunswick shop was 1845 in Cincinnati Ohio. Henin Ainne opened in 1830, the Brunswick French Factory associated with them opened in 1894. Prior to that and after Brunswick did import cues of this nature from Europe from about 1870-1910. This is why even experts cannot distinguish European made and American made cues of this era, because in fact they were often the same craftsman who made them...here after immigrating.

Not looking for the usual confrontations here, just trying to learn and share a little bit. If the cue were never to sell here it wouldn't bother me in the least.
 
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