FS Bert Schrager -20yr old

Jim Buss

MasterClass said:
Sorry for the ambiguity. Just wondering who would be the person to have a Schraeger sent to in order to have it authenticated.
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I would contact Mr Buss. I own a Schrager and he did the same for me. David
jimbuss@jimbuss.com <jimbuss@jimbuss.com>
 
bandido said:
"loaned to a friend" should have raised a red flag concerning that statement. I just don't see a reason for him to do that as that's like giving out ones financial information.

Bert and I are exclusively distributed in Japan by the same dealer. I've notified the Dealer and he will talk to Bert and Pat about this nonsense.

Edwin Reyes
www.edwinreyescues.com
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Edwin,
just curious....have you ever used or had access to Bert's signature template?
 
skins said:
Edwin,
just curious....have you ever used or had access to Bert's signature template?
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I wondered the same thing because of the statement below:

"Here's something straight from Edwin's mouth "Repaired Schragers? YES. FAKE Shragers? NO! And now I'm willing to persue this. Slander from Bert Schrager and libel from you.
Edwin Reyes"

Maybe the repairs done had nothing to do with the signature area, but the statement is somewhat confusing.
 
You all done yet ?

So.........whats the deal, Is this cue for sale and what's the price ????

I like it !!


Tommyd1.........a poor fellow from Detroit :wave2:
 
skins said:
Edwin,
just curious....have you ever used or had access to Bert's signature template?
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Edwin,

You never answered my question.

Are you the only cuemaker named "Reyes" in the PI that you know of ???

Also, do you know Charlie Takahashi???

I reread your posts and you have not taken me up on my offer to help clear your name directly with Bert. Only go through a dealer that sells both of your cues, only one problem with that.......Bert does not make cues anymore. How can your dealer sell his cues also?? Unless they are used??

Me thinks that though doest protest too much......Guilty conscience ???

Russ....
 
poolhustler said:
Edwin,

You never answered my question.

Are you the only cuemaker named "Reyes" in the PI that you know of ???

Also, do you know Charlie Takahashi???

I reread your posts and you have not taken me up on my offer to help clear your name directly with Bert. Only go through a dealer that sells both of your cues, only one problem with that.......Bert does not make cues anymore. How can your dealer sell his cues also?? Unless they are used??

Me thinks that though doest protest too much......Guilty conscience ???

Russ....
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Hmmm, after our PM exchanges I thought it not necessary to follow this thread anymore. It seems like you want to take this further, do you?

To get this out of the way. Skins, no to both.

Back to you Russ. To me, you are not the proper channel to address this problem. Your way, should I have accepted it, would have been the long way. I have access to direct resoution so it is the wiser route to take. Why take yours then when you're a non-porsonality in our sector of the industry. No offense of course.

Charles Takahashi, we're like brothers. Do you want to know the extent of my repair work on US Custom Cuemakers' work? Ok, there are some real embarassing work from US CMs sent to Japan. I had to re-align inlay elements, re-align ringwork, repair shoddyly worked points, re-face joint faces, redo clear coats, replace warped shafts, redo wrap jobs, etc. Humidity does wonders to cues doing inter-continental travel, you know? The tight US FWS laws don't help either as these ivory-laden US Custom Cues cannot be sent back, from Japan, to the US Cuemaker for corrections. Do you want to pry some more?

I help maintain the high level reputation of US Custom Cue Art here in Asia. Why? American cue art is considered the standard to look up to. Cue art sales have been on a worldwide downtrend for a decade now and if the measly following depletes further because of complacency from some (considered) high-end makers then it will really devastate this artform. Cuemaking isn't profittable for every cue craftsman specially in todays buying climate. Some top makers, who were so used to raking-in the dough, are suddenly in a shock for lack thereof and are now quite depressed that they cannot put out 100% effort in their products. Shoddy work was also a result of the cue buying boom when some supposedly exceptional makers were just overwhelmed with the huge amount of orders. That "hurried-work quality" carried over to the slow times but this time amplified by the slow trickle of the financial benefits.

If this artform keeps taking hits then I too get affected. I don't want to see the day when general sentiment is that "precision instruments made out of wood just doesn't work or worth the investment"!
 
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bandido said:
Hmmm, after our PM exchanges I thought it not necessary to follow this thread anymore. It seems like you want to take this further, do you?

To get this out of the way. Skins, no to both.

Back to you Russ. To me, you are not the proper channel to address this problem. Your way, should I have accepted it, would have been the long way. I have access to direct resoution so it is the wiser route to take. Why take yours then when you're a non-porsonality in our sector of the industry. No offense of course.

Charles Takahashi, we're like brothers. Do you want to know the extent of my repair work on US Custom Cuemakers' work? Ok, there are some real embarassing work from US CMs sent to Japan. I had to re-align inlay elements, re-align ringwork, repair shoddyly worked points, re-face joint faces, redo clear coats, replace warped shafts, redo wrap jobs, etc. Humidity does wonders to cues doing inter-continental travel, you know? The tight US FWS laws don't help either as these ivory-laden US Custom Cues cannot be sent back, from Japan, to the US Cuemaker for corrections. Do you want to pry some more?

I help maintain the high level reputation of US Custom Cue Art here in Asia. Why? American cue art is considered the standard to look up to. Cue art sales have been on a worldwide downtrend for a decade now and if the measly following depletes further because of complacency from some (considered) high-end makers then it will really devastate this artform. Cuemaking isn't profittable for every cue craftsman specially in todays buying climate. Some top makers, who were so used to raking-in the dough, are suddenly in a shock for lack thereof and are now quite depressed that they cannot put out 100% effort in their products. Shoddy work was also a result of the cue buying boom when some supposedly exceptional makers were just overwhelmed with the huge amount of orders. That "hurried-work quality" carried over to the slow times but this time amplified by the slow trickle of the financial benefits.

If this artform keeps taking hits then I too get affected. I don't want to see the day when general sentiment is that "precision instruments made out of wood just doesn't work or worth the investment"!
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Thanks for the info on the current quality and state of cue making.

Charlie Takahashi is the one who got Bert's template and you two are like
brothers. I guess I'll just put two plus two together for myself.

Take care,

Russ...
 
poolhustler said:
Thanks for the info on the current quality and state of cue making.

Charlie Takahashi is the one who got Bert's template and you two are like
brothers. I guess I'll just put two plus two together for myself.

Take care,

Russ...
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As you please. Oh, don't forget that Charles also has Bert's machinery and those aren't suppose to go anywhere without the owner's, Bert's, consent. Have you asked Bert how that hapened? Ever wonder why I still engage you here? Ever wonder where all this "Fake Schrager?" issue originated from? I'll answer that, because Bert himself told a story about him causing such a question to arise.

But, like I already said, I've never made a "fake Schrager" nor "fake anything" for that matter specially since my cues fetch more than most. Waste of my time.

Hopefully you don't hurt Bert too much with what you're doing. If you can't protect your own then keep it up!

<<<<USA is an inconsequential market for me.
 
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bandido said:
As you please. Oh, don't forget that Charles also has Bert's machinery and those aren't suppose to go anywhere without the owner's, Bert's, consent. Have you asked Bert how that hapened? Ever wonder why I still engage you here? Ever wonder where all this "Fake Schrager?" issue originated from? I'll answer that, because Bert himself told a story about him causing such a question to arise.

But, like I already said, I've never made a "fake Schrager" nor "fake anything" for that matter specially since my cues fetch more than most. Waste of my time.

Hopefully you don't hurt Bert too much with what you're doing. If you can't protect your own then keep it up!

<<<<USA is an inconsequential market for me.
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I don't know about any machinery that Charlie has or got from Bert. I do know for a fact that Bert sold his shop and machinery to Tom O'connor in Lake Elizabeth, CA.

And for the record, I never directly accused you of being the one who had Bert's template. You incriminated yourself on that count by responding in the manner that you did.

I also did not accuse you of making any fake Schragers!

How can I hurt Bert with what I am doing?? I am merely looking out for my fellow AZ'ers here and only repeating exactly what Bert told me.

I also have seen pics of you cues and they are indeed nice.

Keep up the good work. :smile:

Russ....
 
bandido said:
As you please. Oh, don't forget that Charles also has Bert's machinery and those aren't suppose to go anywhere without the owner's, Bert's, consent. Have you asked Bert how that hapened? Ever wonder why I still engage you here? Ever wonder where all this "Fake Schrager?" issue originated from? I'll answer that, because Bert himself told a story about him causing such a question to arise.

But, like I already said, I've never made a "fake Schrager" nor "fake anything" for that matter specially since my cues fetch more than most. Waste of my time.

Hopefully you don't hurt Bert too much with what you're doing. If you can't protect your own then keep it up!

<<<<USA is an inconsequential market for me.
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Hello I sent you a email
Thanks Chris
 
poolhustler said:
Also, I spoke to Bert today and he stated that the cue lookes to be his.

I will persue obtaining an LOA for the owner and I apologize for jumping in on his thread.

Russ........
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My Schrager cue has the same design. When I saw it I ran to my cue case to see if mine was still in it. It's there. Thank goodness.

I would say it's a Schrager. Mine is not in such good condition because its been in a lot of battles. Mine does not have a Schrager stamp but I know it's genuine because it went from his hand to mine many years ago.
 
poolhustler said:
I don't know about any machinery that Charlie has or got from Bert. I do know for a fact that Bert sold his shop and machinery to Tom O'connor in Lake Elizabeth, CA.

And for the record, I never directly accused you of being the one who had Bert's template. You incriminated yourself on that count by responding in the manner that you did.

I also did not accuse you of making any fake Schragers!

How can I hurt Bert with what I am doing?? I am merely looking out for my fellow AZ'ers here and only repeating exactly what Bert told me.

I also have seen pics of you cues and they are indeed nice.

Keep up the good work. :smile:

Russ....
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You did write down "Reyes" didn't you? I'm the only "Reyes" cuemaker here that's known to the international market. As you've said in your PM,you shouldn't have mentioned any name. So cut the crap about incriminating myself. Your attitude conveyed in PMs sure is different than when posting. Are you grandstanding here or something?

Secondly, if Bert's rep gets tarnish and thus eventually affect his cue pricing then Charles won't have the chance to earn back, some of what Bert owes him, from his Schrager inventory.

Thank you for the compliment though.:)
 
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bandido said:
You did write down "Reyes" didn't you? I'm the only "Reyes" cuemaker here that's known to the international market. As you've said in your PM,you shouldn't have mentioned any name. So cut the crap about incriminating myself. Your attitude conveyed in PMs sure is different than when posting. Are you grandstanding here or something?

Secondly, if Bert's rep gets tarnish and thus eventually affect his cue pricing then Charles won't have the chance to earn back, some of what Bert owes him, from his Schrager inventory.

Thank you for the compliment though.:)
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Hi Edwin,

I asked if you were the only "reyes" making cues in the PI and you did not answer me until now. And, yes, I do feel bad that I mentioned names. Hindsight is 20/20 and I learned from that.

I don't remember what I sent you via PM's. I converse with alot of people here via PM. Post them up and I will respond. I delete them all right away.

Thanks!
 
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