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Kickin' Chicken

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This is like the "KICK ME" sign attached to the back of the guy's shirt. 🙃😘😁

jmonche is a strange person who became almost hysterical during a deal with me that never completed for this cue and he received a prompt full refund just as he was promised. Normal people would wonder, why can't he let it go, he wasn't ripped off or harmed in any way. Those normal people would be 100% correct in wondering that. I wonder that, myself.
 
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DEAR AZers: KICKIN CHICKEN IS A VERY SICK MAN, PERHAPS DELUSIONAL, THE WAY HE CAN MAKE UP STORIES....I ONLY HAVE SYMPATHY FOR HIM AT THIS POINT. HE HAS A LOT OF FOLKS FOOLED THAT HE IS A GOOD GUY. DON"T BELIEVE IT. HE IS NOT A GOOD GUY HE DID ME WRONG, SERIOUSLY WRONG. I HAVE BEEN ON AZ FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS WITH HUNDREDS OF GREAT TRANSACTIONS. WHY WOULD I RISK ALL OF THAT? ANSWER: SOMEONE NEEDS TO CONFRONT AND EXPOSE THIS DECEPTIVE GUY....IN THIS THREAD (READ IT ALL) YOU WILL SEE THAT I HAVE DONE THAT AND NOW HE IS FRANTIC AND ONLY TRYING TO COVER HIS TRACKS. SCROLL THROUGH THIS THREAD AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE ARE OTHERS NOT BUYING HIS BUNK AS WELL.

For the record: I never "changed" my mind. The deal was a sham. When I discovered it, he offered a refund and I accepted, but the refund never came until I pressed him.
I am done with this clown.


Kickin' Chicken said:
Cue has been sold, thanks guys!

EDIT: He changed his mind, let's get r sold
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Brian, "he changed his mind" is not quite accurate just like the original listing was not quite accurate. You offered me a refund when I discovered the original listing was misrepresenting the cue. I accepted the refund offer, but the refund never came and now you can't even tell me when I might get the refund......and, on top of that, you are selling the cue AGAIN before refunding me....That takes a lot of gonads.......That's my cue until I get a refund. Do you need to see the receipt for the money that you received from me yesterday? Here it is:

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And here is the original listing for the ad if case you forgot you edited your listing after the sale:

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And here is the listing after I had already PAID for the cue. Suddenly, the wrap went from "black lizard" to "black lizard print."

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That's not the only problem I had with this purchase. During the negotiating, I was assuming that you had the cue while you were answering all of the questions about its condition, etc......Silly me to think that......After I paid for it, you said the cue was in Pennsylvania or Delaware and you weren't even sure which state, but it would be sent from one of those two states from your friend who had the cue. I don't even know your friend's name.
All of this was a little too weird for me, so when you offered a refund. I gladly accepted.
I gave you a chance last night to make things right and also this morning and you chose to insult me further after you had cursed me out last night on speaker phone as my wife was listening.
That took a lot of class, my friend.
Anyway, I do not want this to become personal and I do not want a food fight so I am asking you -- in public -- to stop your sale of the Mottey and please refund me.

And, remember, I never ASKED for a refund. You OFFERED a refund. So where is it?
 
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jmonche said:
Brian, "he changed his mind" is not quite accurate just like the original listing was not quite accurate. You offered me a refund when I discovered the original listing was misrepresenting the cue. I accepted the refund offer, but the refund never came and now you can't even tell me when I might get the refund......and, one top of that, you are selling the cue AGAIN before refunding me....That takes a lot of gonads.......That's my cue until I get a refund. Do you need to see the receipt for the money that you received from me yesterday? Here it is:

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And here is the original listing for the ad if case you forgot you edited your listing after the sale:

View attachment 629877And here is the listing after I had already PAID for the cue. Suddenly, the wrap went from "black lizard" to "black lizard print."

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That's not the only problem I had with this purchase. During the negotiating, I was assuming that you had the cue while you were answering all of the questions about its condition, etc......Silly me to think that......After I paid for it, you said the cue was in Pennsylvania or Delaware and you weren't even sure which state, but it would be sent from one of those two states from your friend who had the cue. I don't even know your friend's name.
All of this was a little too weird for me, so when you offered a refund. I gladly accepted.
I gave you a chance last night to make things right and also this morning and you chose to insult me further after you had cursed me out last night on speaker phone as my wife was listening.
That took a lot of class, my friend.
Anyway, I do not want this to become personal and I do not want a food fight so I am asking you -- in public -- to stop your sale of the Mottey and please refund me.
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Joe,

As I told you about 15 times in response to your incessant texts that you would be getting your refund today and you agreed that was fine as long as it was by 9pm tonight, remember? I told you it would be much sooner and explained that O sent the money out and was simply waiting to receive it back in order to refund you. You then began bowling me over with texts and calls like a nervous Nellie and I reassured you that the deal is getting undone adsap. And the reason I couldnt do it on the spot was my paypal has no linked bank acct. Ive been on pp since 1999 and have resisted linking a bank acct all this time for security reasons. I woke up this morning to your complaining that I have your cue up for sale and I explained that you passed on it and so it's back up for sale. You then dsaid send me the cue or the money and I responded that you're sending mixed messages.

Joe I absolutely wont be sending you this or any other cue. You have been involved in similar colossal wastes of time with me on at least two other occasions and now this one. You are entitled to and will be getting your money back and you were never in danger of that not happening. The wrap being lizard print leather vs lizard was an honest oversight that I made you aware of and you said "as long as it was done well that's fine" so I'm not sure why you
re trying to paint this as some underhanded move.

No one was attempting to do you wrong Joe, was just trying to sell you a real nice cue at a fair price. Cool your jets, your money will be there as soon as it comes back in my acct. If that isn't good then shoot me your zelle acct info and you'll receive it there.

I do an awful lot of business on here and FB plus ebay all smooth positive transactions. For whatever reason I'm snakebit 3 or 4 times in a row with you.

best,
brian kc
 
Nice try, Brian, making me out to be the bad guy. I have presented only facts.
1. I bought a cue from you paying more than I should have because of a misleading ad. You changed the ad from "lizard" to "lizard print" after the sale. What was that all about?
2. You never even had the cue and never disclosed that until after I paid. You can't even tell me where it is.
3. I called you to discuss these shady moves. You offered me a refund but you can't say for sure when I might get it. Yet you are trying to sell MY CUE.

Now you say you have no bank linked to your PayPal. Yet you cleared out my payment somehow. BTW, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Here is the proof once more. Just facts:

My payment:

Receipt for Mottey 2022-02-19 at 7.35.29 AM.png


Your original ad:

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Your doctored ad after I had already paid:

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You offered the refund. I accepted. So forget the song and dance about PayPal links, etc. and trying to shift the focus to make readers think I am crazy.
This is not personal. It's business. You did a wrong. I caught you and called you out.
I will continue to take the high ground and won't be baited by your insults of you trying to make the audience think I am unreasonable.
So, please, halt the sale until you can refund me. That is certainly a reasonable request.
 
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Nice try, Brian, making me out to be the bad guy. I have presented only facts.
1. I bought a cue from you paying more than I should have because of a misleading ad. You changed the ad from "lizard" to "lizard print" after the sale. What was that all about?
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You asked that we check the seam on the wrap and in doing so my friend who owns the cue sent a close picture of the wrap (done very nicely, by the way) and it was then that I realized that it was more likely a lizard print leather and not lizard skin, which I promptly made you aware of. If you'll recall, your response was that as long as it was done well, that was fine. So, I did make the change on the ad copy. What's the big deal?

2. You never even had the cue and never disclosed that until after I paid. You can't even tell me where it is.

Joe, this might shock you to learn, but it's possible to sell a cue remotely. My friend is as straight as an arrow and I have pictures and videos of this cue and his first hand assessment, upon which I trust one hundred per cent. Added to that, of course, is that if for any reason a customer is unhappy, they could return the cue for a full refund.
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3. I called you to discuss these shady moves. You offered me a refund but you can't say for sure when I might get it. Yet you are trying to sell MY CUE.

Now you say you have no bank linked to your PayPal. Yet you cleared out my payment somehow. BTW, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Here is the proof once more. Just facts:
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Joe, we only decided to cancel our deal late yesterday afternoon. I told you when I offered you the refund that I would get it taken care of today. So, you see, I did tell you when you would be getting your refund. You said it had better come by 9 p.m., and you should recall me telling you that it would be well before that, and it will. Here it is, not even 10 a.m. and you have been going haywire and putting this on blast. I wish I could figure out how to screen shot all of your bizarre texts, not to mention voice mails left. You are indeed one strange fellow. As for me "clearing out" your money, yes. Very true. I forwarded it, which certainly doesn't require that I have a linked bank account to accomplish. Anyone reading all of this nonsense should have a good idea of what bullshit I've been dealing with.

To recap: we made a deal on this cue. You paid me. As usual, you got buyer's remorse or something like that. It was sometime after 4 p.m. yesterday. I offered you a refund. I told you I would refund your money when the funds came back to my account because I had no linked bank account. At 9 a.m. today, after many more texts and phone calls, you decided to come on here to share how you've been wronged. I'll let the court of public opinion decide for themselves, and you should have your money back in an hour or two, tops.

Please pass by all future sales threads by me.

best,
brian kc
 
One more time, you told me about the wrap AFTER I had already paid, then you changed your ad to cover your butt.
You offered the refund, because you were upset that I caught you red-handed with the slick editing move.
Now you are SELLING my cue. It's MY cue until I get a refund.
Also, you never disclosed that your friend -- whose name I was never told only that he lived in either PA or DEL-- until after I had paid.
C'mon man. Quit the assault on my character and just refund me, like you said you would and quit trying to sell my cue, because if you can't come up with the money, I would at least like to have the cue at some point.
Quit trying to make me out to be the bad guy. People know me on here too and I deal straight up for at least 15 years now.
Here are the facts again:

1. I bought a cue from you paying more than I should have because of a misleading ad. You changed the ad from "lizard" to "lizard print" after the sale. What was that all about?
2. You never even had the cue and never disclosed that until after I paid. You can't even tell me where it is.
3. I called you to discuss these shady moves. You offered me a refund but you can't say for sure when I might get it. Yet you are trying to sell MY CUE.

Now you say you have no bank linked to your PayPal. Yet you cleared out my payment somehow. BTW, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Here is the proof once more. Just facts:

My payment:

Receipt for Mottey 2022-02-19 at 7.35.29 AM.png

Your deceptive original ad:

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Your doctored cover-your-butt ad after having received my payment:

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In the meantime, stop selling my cue. I paid for it. I have a receipt for payment. You accepted the payment. You have sent no refund. Yet you think it's OK to sell it again.......hmmmmm, go figure.
 
Joe;

I think you're doing a pretty good job of assailing your own character.

your payment has been refunded. And it was gonna happen just like that with or without your whining by text, vm and on here. I told you that you were getting refunded and you did.

Am I the only one who this guy tortures during sales transactions? Can't be.

Have mercy....

I have a nice Mottey for sale,,,
 
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Refund received....talk about torture......I feel bad that I had to pressure you through the posting, yet I have not stooped to the lows that you have here with the character assassinations and your cruelty on speaker phone in front of my wife, no less. You got a lot of people fooled, my friend.....you are indeed good at the mild mannered, righteous guy who is never wrong. Well, you did me wrong. You know it. And I know it. And, by the way, in the character attack on me, you forgot to mention the Scruggs that you sold me back when -- the one with the crooked shaft and broken tenon -- that I had to pay Pete T. to make it right....I guess that story didn't fit the narrative. ......oh, well.
Bottom line: If your pool game is as good as your guise, you could be the best hustler of all time. Think about it, it's never too late.
Anyway, I needed to post because you were giving me the runaround like a guy who owes money and can't pay it back. I have seen that show too many times in too many pool rooms and this looked like a cheap remake. I am too old for this nonsense.
Anyway, I got my money, like you had offered. I am done. I will leave in peace. Good riddance.
 
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Refund received....talk about torture......I feel bad that I had to pressure you through the posting, yet I have not stooped to the lows that you have here with the character assassinations and your cruelty on speaker phone in front of my wife, no less. You got a lot of people fooled, my friend.....you are indeed good at the mild mannered, righteous guy who is always right. If your pool game is as good as your guise, you could be the best hustler of all time. Think about it, it's never too late.
Anyway, I needed to post because you were giving me the runaround like a guy who owes money and can't pay it back. I have seen that show too many times in too many pool rooms and this looked like a remake. I am too old for this nonsense.
Anyway, I got my money, like you had offered. I am done. I will leave in peace. Good riddance.
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Joe,

You pressured me into nothing. I know you really think that you were going to be the very first person I wronged on AZ after 300 transactions without any problem. You claim I was giving you the runaround, when in fact yesterday at 6:00 p.m. (I just checked my phone log) when we decided to cancel the deal, I told you I would give you a refund , informing you that you would get it as soon as it came back into my account, and by 10:30 this morning, it was back in your PayPal. Where exactly was the runaround? In between, you sent me a barrage of texts and voice mails in addition to this nonsense on here. I think people will have a little insight as to what makes you tick and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has experienced this unpleasantness with you. In fact, I'm already hearing from others with similar experiences.

Regarding the situation with your wife overhearing some unpleasantry, maybe you shouldn't have left it on speaker after sending me more than a dozen inflammatory messages. . I did exactly what I said I would, and timely, with you going off the rails the entire time.

I can't spend any more time on this.

best,
brian kc
 
More lies and twisted truths, I expected this.... I presented the facts:
1. You misrepresented the cue in your original post.
2. You never said the wrap was not real until after you had received payment.
3. You never said the cue was in Delaware or PA or wherever until I had paid. I still don't know who owns it or where it is on the map -- somewhere in the mid-Atlantic states, I guess...
3. You cleaned up the tracks with your original false post.
4. You never said when you would refund me. I never asked for one. You offered a refund after I had trapped you in your BS and attempt to clean it up.
5. You tried to sell a cue that I legally still owned.
You counter these facts with BS and your opinions of me, with a very selective memory and try to play the good guy with the white hat who has been harassed by someone for no reason. Give me a break. You are too predictable.
But I knew that you couldn't leave it go. That is your nature. It's a defect, I think. I would recommend that seek some mental health help at some point. But I got to give it to you. Hat's off. You are the greatest wormy, squirmy character that I met in my 70 years on the planet. God bless. I am outta here this time.....regardless of how you come back at me with more lies.....you are welcome to the last word, again. :)......I know that you will not be able to resist. I hold no grudges. I have learned a valuable lesson here. I should be thanking you.
 
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Rtoron said:
I think third party deals are a bad idea. I stay away from them.
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Me too, Ron, but in this case, I didn't know this was a third-party deal until after I had paid....I never thought to ask. I assume every seller here has the item that he or she is listing......
 
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