FS: Buss, Capone

95-98% Condition

My feeling is that 95% to 98% condition is darn near mint. I would not expect to see any significant damage (i.e chips, dents, etc.)???? maybe some light finish scratches.

I don't know what other correspondence you had between each other but, it sounds to me like there was definitely a misunderstanding on the overall condition of the cue for sure.

FS: Buss, Capone
2005 Jim Buss cue
4 pt with spear tips, tulip inlay in each spear tip. with 1 13mm shaft , gold color rings, tulip joint, rings at abcde. 4 tulip windows at butt. 19.2 oz, 95-98% condition, the new talisman tip only had few hours play. this cue hits GREAT!! a really well made player cue~
$500 shipped
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The Blue Book says 70% condition to be....noticeable wear on most areas, possible warping on shafts, chips and dings, possible cracks in non-vital areas, shows plenty of use, still very playbable, possibly ready for restoration.

My best guess from the pics is that this cue is in better condition than 70%!?!? I thought the pics of the cue looked pretty good myself :confused:


Hopefully you guys can find a mutually acceptable compromise to make both parties happy.

Best of luck fellas :)
 
No offense to either party, but why would you buy a cue used that sold new originally for only $150 over the price you paid, with two shafts no less? I've frankly seen better deals.

In regards to the damage, it seems evident that if the buyer is going to have in refinished, then indeed the cue was not represented well at 95% +

In my opinion sasman should cover at least some of the re-finish cost. Let's say 95% of it, since that is what he originally represented the cue as.


Just my 2 cents.

Regards,

Doug
 
buddha162 said:
post your own pics, we'll be the judge as to the condition of the cue...

-Roger
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that would be hard to do at present as the cue is with greg sowder of shark shooter billiards being refinished to get it to 98% condition. As you know, you cannot do a decent refinish without a re-wrap. obviously if this cue was as represented, i would not be having it reworked now.

danny
 
Salamander said:
No offense to either party, but why would you buy a cue used that sold new originally for only $150 over the price you paid, with two shafts no less? I've frankly seen better deals.

In regards to the damage, it seems evident that if the buyer is going to have in refinished, then indeed the cue was not represented well at 95% +

In my opinion sasman should cover at least some of the re-finish cost. Let's say 95% of it, since that is what he originally represented the cue as.


Just my 2 cents.

Regards,

Doug
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Doug, the seller has no intention of honoring his word. He knows he sold a damaged cue, he knows he mis-represented it. anyione can post pictures of the pretty side, it takes a man with integrity to post the ugly side as well. obviously this man to this point is quite short on integrity. As i become more familiar with azbilliards, i will steer away from the sasmans and aaron painters that lurk in here. I have done business with some quality people here, most notably Mark/Joe of classiccues.com and Zcat from salem, oregon.

I will eventually post photos of some cues i will be selling here, and everyone will see any blems/defects that any of my cues may have. When i say the cue is 95% it is 95%. However i won't offer anything that is not at least 95%, and most everything i own is 98% except the 2 cues i play with the most, and they're honest 95%ers'
 
For the rest of az'ers, I feel sorry becoz I think this is just a waste of time for everyone here. I feel no guilt for this transaction since I did nothing wrong - sasman

what you did was prove yourself to be a petty thief, liar, and someone that everyone here should avoid. obviously you are such a broke dick piece of pool scum that your honor and integrity have no value. granted we are talking about an inexpensive cue, however the principle of representing something in an honest, ethical manner has been violated. you produced absolutely no photos of the damage on that cue when you offered it for sale.
 
asiasdad said:
For the rest of az'ers, I feel sorry becoz I think this is just a waste of time for everyone here. I feel no guilt for this transaction since I did nothing wrong - sasman

what you did was prove yourself to be a petty thief, liar, and someone that everyone here should avoid. obviously you are such a broke dick piece of pool scum that your honor and integrity have no value. granted we are talking about an inexpensive cue, however the principle of representing something in an honest, ethical manner has been violated. you produced absolutely no photos of the damage on that cue when you offered it for sale.
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Asiasdad,

Far be it from me to try and get in the middle of this mess...but you two obviously don't see eye to eye on how this deal went down. I would imagine you guys never will, either.

Having had a similar issue or two in the past...almost identical to this one....I have a large capacity for sympathy for your position....and I really hate to see someone close on a deal that turned out to be much less than what they expected.

I hereby volunteer to chip in $10-$15 to ya, to offset the cost of your added expenses.

I'm sure it sounds silly to most...but ANYONE that's found themselves on the "short end of the stick" should be able to appreciate the fact that you'd want to help make it right, if you could....even if you weren't part of the sale to begin with. And $15 is not much at all....unless some other folks out there feel, and do, the same...and help make the deal square for ya.

Send me your Paypal info, or an address, and I'll kick it your way.

Rat
 
A little birdie told me that this cue originally sold for $750 at Cue and Cushion.

When you pick it up from being refinished, ask the guy if it looks like it is a house cue conversion.

Al
 
lenoxmjs said:
Always best to wait and get both sides of the story before forming an opinion....
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We have both sides of the story and, unless your name is sasman, the only opinion that can be formed is that this cue was misrepresented. Was it deliberate? Looks like it. Is sasman losing any sleep over it? Doubt it.
 
rat,

i appreciate your offer, and if you ever have anything for sale that i would be interested in, i would have absolutely no problem in dealing with you based solely on your generous offer. i know there are more good people than bad people on this site. i feel it is all of our responsibility to notify the good of the bad so that only one good guy gets stung and when the bad guy tries it again, no one deals with him
 
lost sleep

misterpoole said:
We have both sides of the story and, unless your name is sasman, the only opinion that can be formed is that this cue was misrepresented. Was it deliberate? Looks like it. Is sasman losing any sleep over it? Doubt it.
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and would anyone who follows this site ever purchase from sasman now?
doubt it.
 
alstl said:
A little birdie told me that this cue originally sold for $750 at Cue and Cushion.

When you pick it up from being refinished, ask the guy if it looks like it is a house cue conversion.

Al
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I already know it's a house cue conversion as that is what Jim Buss told me when i asked about a 2d shaft. It was a Dufferin house cue conversion to be exact. Jim then sold it for $650.00 with 2 shafts. If cue and cushion then sold it for $750.00 then their mark-up was pretty fair to the end buyer. Somewhere along the line, a shaft disappeared as this cue started life with 2 shafts according to Jim Buss.

Before I sell this cue, I will have it refinished to a legitimate 98% condition, and Jim Buss is making a 2d shaft for it. the total cost to me to do this will be $225.00 With the $500.00 that I am presently in this cue this will bring the total to $725.00...I will most likely put it on this forum as well as ebay for sale.

when it is finished, it will be a very nice cue. I am having the wrap changed from the black/white spec wrap that was on it to a a very pretty brown/black spec wrap that will compliment the colors of the cue much better.

I've always wanted a Jim Buss cue, and even though this one will end up being a great looking/playing cue, the experience i've had with the seller will continually create negative karma when i pick up that cue, and that will effect my game psychologically. It will be better that i sell this one and then order one directly from Jim
 
asiasdad said:
I already know it's a house cue conversion as that is what Jim Buss told me when i asked about a 2d shaft. It was a Dufferin house cue conversion to be exact. Jim then sold it for $650.00 with 2 shafts. If cue and cushion then sold it for $750.00 then their mark-up was pretty fair to the end buyer. Somewhere along the line, a shaft disappeared as this cue started life with 2 shafts according to Jim Buss.

Before I sell this cue, I will have it refinished to a legitimate 98% condition, and Jim Buss is making a 2d shaft for it. the total cost to me to do this will be $225.00 With the $500.00 that I am presently in this cue this will bring the total to $725.00...I will most likely put it on this forum as well as ebay for sale.

when it is finished, it will be a very nice cue. I am having the wrap changed from the black/white spec wrap that was on it to a a very pretty brown/black spec wrap that will compliment the colors of the cue much better.

I've always wanted a Jim Buss cue, and even though this one will end up being a great looking/playing cue, the experience i've had with the seller will continually create negative karma when i pick up that cue, and that will effect my game psychologically. It will be better that i sell this one and then order one directly from Jim
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I can understand your frustration, but I honestly think you got a pretty good deal on that cue for $500. Maybe it wasn't quite as advertised but you didn't make out all that bad on a great looking Jim Buss even with the extra $100 to get it refinished IMO.
 
Either that was one heluva house cue or he went to a LOT of work to convert it. To add the rings at all locations, the spears in the points, the windows in the butt....that is a lot of converting, IMHO....
 
No offense to either one. I hope you guys come to agree on something like splitting the refinish cost or whatever, but Im curious how bad the butt cap was. In the pics you can see 2-3 knicks. The wrap looks like its in good shape. Are you replacing it cause its needed or since its getting refinished anyway. Were the rings that way new, Ive never seen a Buss cue? The bluing on the shaft in the pics shows the cue has been around, or just not cleaned often which shows the cue not 95%. Regarless it is a good looking cue for the money in my opinion whats cheaper a production cue?
 
Bamacues said:
Either that was one heluva house cue or he went to a LOT of work to convert it. To add the rings at all locations, the spears in the points, the windows in the butt....that is a lot of converting, IMHO....
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he went through a LOT of work to convert it. the spears in the points are there to mask the fact that the points are quite uneven in both length and width.
 
ATM said:
No offense to either one. I hope you guys come to agree on something like splitting the refinish cost or whatever, but Im curious how bad the butt cap was. In the pics you can see 2-3 knicks. The wrap looks like its in good shape. Are you replacing it cause its needed or since its getting refinished anyway. Were the rings that way new, Ive never seen a Buss cue? The bluing on the shaft in the pics shows the cue has been around, or just not cleaned often which shows the cue not 95%. Regarless it is a good looking cue for the money in my opinion whats cheaper a production cue?
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to do a proper re-finish job, the wrap gets replaced. the reason for the re-finish is due to chips in both the butt sleeve and butt capp of 1/4 inch or more as well as the fact that you can actually feel the rings and the points through the finish. the fact is considering that full retail on this cue as defined previously by cue and cushion at 725.00 with 2 shafts and then i must order the 2d shaft (time/money) from Jim at 125.00 brings this full retail value (new) to 600.00 then take the refinish (time/money) of 100.00 off that and i paid 500.00 or full retail for this cue as a USED CUE with no collectability whatsoever. That is not a good deal, that is not a fair deal, that is a skunk misrepresenting himself to pull full retail NEW value out of something that does not have rights to that valuation. At $400.00 for the cue in the condition it is in, then you don't have a great deal, but at least you have an ethical deal.
 
please understand, that it is not the $$$$ that concerns me, it is the lack of ethics, and that should be of concern to all of us. quite frankly a ben franklin is just another 5 seconds at the blackjack table in vegas. or to put it in terms that most can understand here, just another lost 1 pocket game.
 
Asiasdad, did you try to work out a return before posting here and before you sent to refinish?
 
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