FS: Old Westinghouse Micarta Ferrules

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

That's nice, I'm surprised, (NOT)

I LET INFORMATION GET AWAY FROM ME THE LAST TIME, I CARTAINLY WON'T LET SOMEONE ELSE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MY RESEARCH AND TIME AGAIN. LIFE ALL WORKS OUT IN THE WASH. IF OUR SITUATION WOULD HAVE WORKED OUT DIFFERENTLY THE FIRST TIME, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD ACCESS TO A VERY LARGE SUPPLY OF THIS STUFF.

I'M DONE WITH THIS SITUATION. HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Marcus,
Is the material used by Runde or Bluegrass today the original (good) micarta?

BLUEGRASS HAD SOME, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HE IS OUT NOW. HE DID HAVE THE MATERIAL AND USED IT FOR QUITE AWHILE ON HIS CUES.

I HAVE NEVER PERSONALLY SEEN A RUNDE WITH THE OLD YELLOW ON IT. I HAVE SEEN THE NEWER STUFF ON HIS CUES, BUT NOT THE OLD GOOD STUFF.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

What I said was it would never be made again for cue makers. Not that is why it was no longer produced. And yes it was a insulator. You are right as always Marus! I can't believe your workers can't believe that!
Nick

NICK,
I WASN'T DIRECTED ANYTHING AT YOU, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GOT THE FULL STORY.

P.S. I JUST GOT TWO OLD SHAFTS LAST NIGHT, WITH FULL YELLOW MICARTA FERRULES ON THEM. I LOVE THIS STUFF.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Richard Harris no longer has any old yellow micarta to use. The last cue I had him make for me (last year) I gave Richard two old yellow micarta ferrules to use. If you buy a new Blue Grass these days that has the old yellow micarta ferrules on it, it was a cue that he made for himself and decided to sell it. If you can find a cue that he made with the old yellow micarta you better hand onto it (or sell it to me )! He has used some orangish micarta that he said was older than the old yellow micarta, but I don't think he has any of that left either. The picture below shows what the orangish micarta looks like. I think they play as good or better than the old yellow micarta.

GUTSHOT, THAT PICTURE IS OF THE ASBESTOS BASED MATERIAL. SOME BATCHES WERE DARKER THAN OTHERS, BUT IT'S THE SAME STUFF. I HAVE SOME PIECES THAT ARE A DEEP BURNT ORANGE COLOR, THAT ARE CONSIDERED TO BE OLD YELLOW MICARTA.

 

[Cuemaster98]

Marcus,

Just wondering if Bill Stroud (JossWest cue) uses these ferrules on his older cue. I have an older josswest with 2 original shaft that might have the ferrule you guys are talking about. I remember most of his older cues has this type of ferrule. Is this the Micarta?

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Marcus,

Just wondering if Bill Stroud (JossWest cue) uses these ferrules on his older cue. I have an older josswest with 2 original shaft that might have the ferrule you guys are talking about. I remember most of his older cues has this type of ferrule. Is this the Micarta?

THAT'S IT..... IT'S ON A LOT OF THE OLDER JW'S... IS THE CUE FOR SALE? PM ME IF IT IS, WITH SHAFT SIZES AND A PRICE.

 

[gutshot]

Marcus,

Thanks for that little bit of information. I didn't realize (and I'm not sure Richard does either) that the orangish ones contained asbestos. All I know was that they were older than some of the old yellow micarta.

Kelly

 

[Michael Webb]

I LET INFORMATION GET AWAY FROM ME THE LAST TIME, I CARTAINLY WON'T LET SOMEONE ELSE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MY RESEARCH AND TIME AGAIN. LIFE ALL WORKS OUT IN THE WASH. IF OUR SITUATION WOULD HAVE WORKED OUT DIFFERENTLY THE FIRST TIME, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD ACCESS TO A VERY LARGE SUPPLY OF THIS STUFF.

I'M DONE WITH THIS SITUATION. HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU.

Marcus I'm sorry you feel like you were screwed,
Let's see,
You buy three good size blocks and ask me to turn it into ferrules and I charge you two ferrules, for the amount you received versus the health hazard, I think two was more than fair. Then you have the company ship direct to me and they leave the invoice in the top of the box, not even in a sealed envelope, SO, I look at it and give them a call, they sell me three blocks which I put on some of the cues I was building. Then you send me an email crying that you sold all of yours and if I could send you a ferrule so you have one for your own personal cue. I send it no charge and pay the shipping as a courtesy, Now reading your above post you lied just to feel some sought of justification because I bought some. It's funny that you might think that doing this is something new. Nice job, I'm very proud of you.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Marcus I'm sorry you feel like you were screwed,
Let's see,
You buy three good size blocks and ask me to turn it into ferrules and I charge you two ferrules, for the amount you received versus the health hazard, I think two was more than fair. Then you have the company ship direct to me and they leave the invoice in the top of the box, not even in a sealed envelope, SO, I look at it and give them a call, they sell me three blocks which I put on some of the cues I was building. Then you send me an email crying that you sold all of yours and if I could send you a ferrule so you have one for your own personal cue. I send it no charge and pay the shipping as a courtesy, Now reading your above post you lied just to feel some sought of justification because I bought some. It's funny that you might think that doing this is something new. Nice job, I'm very proud of you.

I LIED ABOUT THE FACT THAT I TOLD YOU I WAS ORDERING THE OTHER MATERIAL? YOU THEN USE THAT INFO TO CUT ME OUT OF GETTING THE OTHER BLOCKS, WHICH I FOUND, AND I SHOULDN'T FEEL LIKE I GOT SCREWED. I GUESS, I NEED TO REALIZE THAT NOT ARE PEOPLE ARE LIKE ME. I WOULD HAVE NEVER CUT ANYONE OUT OF SOMETHING THEY HAD DONE RESEARCH ON, BUT YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS OK TO DO. MORE POWER TO YA. YOU KNEW I WAS GETTING THE OTHER MATERIAL, BUT DIDN'T CARE. I TRUSTED YOU ENOUGH, THAT I DIDN'T AVE TO HIDE WHERE THE MATERIAL CAME FROM, GUESS I'M A BAD JUDGE OF CHARACHTER.

I WAS THE MOST DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE YOU WASTED ALL THAT MATERIAL FOR CUES THAT ARE GONNA BE PASSED AROUND, FROM OWNER TO OWNER. IT WAS PUT ON CUES THAT GUYS DIDN'T CARE ABOUT. I'VE HAD A FEW IN MY POOL ROOM ALREADY, THAT WEREN'T OWNED BY THE ORIGINAL OWNER ANYMORE............ INSTEAD OF HAVING THE MATERIAL TO USE ON CUES THAT NEEDED THOSE FERRULES TO RESTORE THEM BACK TO ORIGINAL.

OH WELL, LIKE I SAID IT ALL COMES OUT IN THE WASH, AND I'M SURE IT ALREADY HAS. I FOUND ENOUGH MATERIAL TO KEEP ME CONTENT, AND THATS WHAT I CARE ABOUT.

P.S. YOU KNOW YOU GOT MORE THAN TWO FERRULES. EVIDENTLY YOU DON'T THINK I KNOW HOW TO MEASURE. I KNOW HOW MANY FERRULES YOU COULD GET OUT OF THOSE BLOCKS, AND I GOT 8 LESS THAN THAT BACK FROM YOU. SO 8 X 75= 600..... I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN FAIR FOR TURNING FERRULES.

 

[WilleeCue]

I KNOW HOW MANY FERRULES YOU COULD GET OUT OF THOSE BLOCKS, AND I GOT 8 LESS THAN THAT BACK FROM YOU. SO 8 X 75= 600..... I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN FAIR FOR TURNING FERRULES.

So he kept 8 out of 600?
That is if he never make a mistake and opps one or two.
You beef'n about 8 stink'n ferrule blanks?
Good Lord!

Why is it that everything associated with pool that is so great is no longer available to the common market?
Is it the lack of availability that makes it so wonderful?
Since Dufferin went out of business their old house cues have become the holy grail.
Same with Valley Supreme house cues.
WTF ... cant anyone see the true value while the stuff is still available or is it that rareity makes it more desirable?

 

[Michael Webb]

P.S. YOU KNOW YOU GOT MORE THAN TWO FERRULES. EVIDENTLY YOU DON'T THINK I KNOW HOW TO MEASURE. I KNOW HOW MANY FERRULES YOU COULD GET OUT OF THOSE BLOCKS, AND I GOT 8 LESS THAN THAT BACK FROM YOU. SO 8 X 75= 600..... I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN FAIR FOR TURNING FERRULES.[/QUOTE]

I kept two ferrules as agreed that was all.

 

[Varney Cues]

In no shape, form, or fashion would I have cut up blocks of that stuff & then turned it round for only TWO ferrules.
KV<<<<<<<<<<<likes his lungs.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

So he kept 8 out of 600?
That is if he never make a mistake and opps one or two.
You beef'n about 8 stink'n ferrule blanks?
Good Lord!

Why is it that everything associated with pool that is so great is no longer available to the common market?
Is it the lack of availability that makes it so wonderful?
Since Dufferin went out of business their old house cues have become the holy grail.
Same with Valley Supreme house cues.
WTF ... cant anyone see the true value while the stuff is still available or is it that rareity makes it more desirable?

NO, IT WASN'T 8 OF 600.... 8 FERRULES TIMES 75 DOLLARS FOR EACH FERRULE IS $600.00

THERE WAS ENOUGH MATERIAL FOR 36 FERRULES (ACCORDING TO MY MEASUREMENTS) I GOT 28 BACK. SO ACCORDING TO MY NUMBERS THAT LEFT 8 WITH MIKE.

TO BE HONEST IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.... IT WAS ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE KNEW I WAS BUYING THE REST OF THE MATERIAL FROM MY SUPPLIER (MIKE AND I SPOKE ABOUT THAT) . I TRUSTED HIM ENOUGH TO LEAVE MY SUPPLIERS INFO ON THE BOX. HE THEN CUT ME OUT, AND PURCHASED THE REST OF THE MATERIAL. TO ME THAT WAS WRONG. IF YOU DON'T AGREE, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I JUST EXPECT TOO MUCH FROM PEOPLE, I GUESS.


THIS MATERIAL WAS WIDELY USED, UNTIL PRODUCTION STOPPED. IN MY OPINION IT'S THE BEST PLAYING FERRULE MATERIAL. IT'S THE PLAYING ASPECT OF THE FERRULES THAT HAVE THEM HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

P.S. YOU KNOW YOU GOT MORE THAN TWO FERRULES. EVIDENTLY YOU DON'T THINK I KNOW HOW TO MEASURE. I KNOW HOW MANY FERRULES YOU COULD GET OUT OF THOSE BLOCKS, AND I GOT 8 LESS THAN THAT BACK FROM YOU. SO 8 X 75= 600..... I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN FAIR FOR TURNING FERRULES.

I kept two ferrules as agreed that was all.[/QUOTE]

THIS ISN'T WORTH MY TIME MIKE..... YOU HAVE YOU'RE FEELINGS AND I HAVE MINE. IF YOU SAY YOU KEPT TWO THEN YOU KEPT TWO. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAD ME BOTHERED.

YOU KNOW I WAS MOSTLY BOTHERED BY THE FACT THAT YOU CUT ME OUT AND BENEFITTED FROM MY RESEARCH AND TIME. TO ME WHAT YOU DID WAS WRONG. IF YOU DON'T FEEL THAT WAY, I UNDERSTAND. I JUST KNOW I WOULDN'T HAVE EXPLOITED SOMONE ELSE'S WORK, AND RESEARCH LIKE YOU DID.

 

[Koop]

P.S. YOU KNOW YOU GOT MORE THAN TWO FERRULES. EVIDENTLY YOU DON'T THINK I KNOW HOW TO MEASURE. I KNOW HOW MANY FERRULES YOU COULD GET OUT OF THOSE BLOCKS, AND I GOT 8 LESS THAN THAT BACK FROM YOU. SO 8 X 75= 600..... I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN FAIR FOR TURNING FERRULES.

Marcus,

I will admit to not knowing every detail about this transaction but to call Mike a liar...this guy is the most honest and ethical guy I know. He goes out of his way NOT to screw anyone and usually it's to his disadvantage.
Something obviously happened between you two but for you to call his integrity into question is just plain wrong.

IMHO,
Koop

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Marcus,

I will admit to not knowing every detail about this transaction but to call Mike a liar...this guy is the most honest and ethical guy I know. He goes out of his way NOT to screw anyone and usually it's to his disadvantage.
Something obviously happened between you two but for you to call his integrity into question is just plain wrong.

IMHO,
Koop

READ MY NEXT POST AFTER THAT ONE, IN REPLY TO MIKE. I SAID THAT IF HE SAYS HE ONLY TOOK TWO THAN HE ONLY TOOK TWO. THAT WASN'T EVEN THE PART OF THE TRANSACTION THAT HAD ME BOTHERED.

YOU FEEL THAT WHAT HE DID, BY GETTING THE REST OF THE MATERIAL WAS THE CORRECT THING TO DO?

I DON'T, THAT'S WHAT MY ISSUE IS.

 

[rhncue]

Richard Harris no longer has any old yellow micarta to use. The last cue I had him make for me (last year) I gave Richard two old yellow micarta ferrules to use. If you buy a new Blue Grass these days that has the old yellow micarta ferrules on it, it was a cue that he made for himself and decided to sell it. If you can find a cue that he made with the old yellow micarta you better hand onto it (or sell it to me )! He has used some orangish micarta that he said was older than the old yellow micarta, but I don't think he has any of that left either. The picture below shows what the orangish micarta looks like. I think they play as good or better than the old yellow micarta.

I talked to Richard in April and he told me he still had enough yellow micarta left for about 650 more shafts. He said he had bought a quantity from a guy who used to make knives and got it fairly cheaply.

Dick

 

[pathman]

Enough *****ing allready

This is the most ridiculous post I have seen on this board yet.This stuff is still out there. I guarantee you most of the old-school cue builders still have it and will put one on one of they're cues for a hell of a lot less than $75.00. I can think of three right off the top of my head that have done this for me in the last two years. No way will I throw the names out there just to have all the nits call them up and beg for a ferrule to try and re-sell. Trust me, if you are a little resourceful, you can find it.

 

[nick serdula]

All I can say is

Ditto!
Nick

 

[lenoxmjs]

I have a Pfd Titilist conversion with not only old yellow micarta ferruls but also a Yellow micarta Joint. It is very cool.