FS Richard Harris

I think you've been playing with the Catnip today....

Str8PoolPlayer said:
I couldn't help but notice the BLOWN UP shots you posted.
PhotoShop and a ZOOM lens can do wonders.

The "ding" you grossly exaggerate is under the ORIGINAL finish and is a
part of the manufacturing process. Take it up with Mr. Harris and see how far you get.

As for the "tiny" imperfections at the Shaft Joints, you could have caused them by over-torquing the shafts while assembling. I see this condition all the time.

FACT IS: The Cue was not mis-represented in any way and you received exactly what you paid for ... A Used Players Cue ...

Had you not tried to strong-arm the Seller then bring your Pal, the Snail, into the mix you may have been able to negotiate an agreement.

Who knows, it may still be possible ... Continuing to air these issues in public is not the best way to resolve what you see as a problem.

I really hate to see these things happen. I know Mark is a straight-up guy and I believe you are too. You have a lot of support from your friends and that is good ... unless it unjustly harms others and their reputation.
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I would love to have settled this privately but, Mark isn't responding to my PM's :deadhorse:

You guys think this is some kinda of conspiracy? :boring2: I'm trying to strong arm the guy?? :speechless: I've abused the cue and taken these pics.....yadayadayada :withstupid:
 
I got an Idea...how about you guys go via PM...Better yet when all this stuff is over with my mom if you want me to buy the dang cue I will..I realize JPs are a nice thing to have and a ding or whatever doesn't look good, but it still doesn't change the fact that Richard makes one hell of a hitting cue..and I doubt all of this effects the playability..

I'm sorry and I might be pissy but my mom might be dying and to hear you guys screaming about this crap is driving me nuts..
 
Just caught you in another LIE !!!

krbsailing said:
I would love to have settled this privately but, Mark isn't responding to my PM's :deadhorse:

You guys think this is some kinda of conspiracy? :boring2: I'm trying to strong arm the guy?? :speechless: I've abused the cue and taken these pics.....yadayadayada :withstupid:
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All statements were made by ME and ME alone.

There is NO "You Guys" ... that's just another fabrication from YOU.
 
if you actually read my post....

you would see that that's EXACTLY what I was saying... I have not seen the cue only the pics...

This is starting to get silly. Just answer one question for me and I'll bow out of this. WERE THESE BLEMISHES MENTIONED IN THE ORIGINAL SALES DESCRIPTION? If they were, then so be it... if they weren't they should have been, and this whole surly mess could have been avoided

the end.

Str8PoolPlayer said:
Have you seen the Cue up close ? .... NO

The imperfection is so minute that KRB had to magnify it several times to even make it visible in the picture.
I challenge you to see it with the naked eye.

You are nothing less than a s**t disturber who possesses NO facts.
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Finally, a Ray of Sunshine ...

rack'em zach'em said:
I got an Idea...how about you guys go via PM...Better yet when all this stuff is over with my mom if you want me to buy the dang cue I will..I realize JPs are a nice thing to have and a ding or whatever doesn't look good, but it still doesn't change the fact that Richard makes one hell of a hitting cue..and I doubt all of this effects the playability..

I'm sorry and I might be pissy but my mom might be dying and to hear you guys screaming about this crap is driving me nuts..
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Thank You so much for your post. It may have broke some of the tension. I will sit back and watch now.

My Very Best Regards to You and Your Mom.
 
I know this all seems kinda silly

Hope everything turns out well for your mother. we'll pray for her..

rack'em zach'em said:
I got an Idea...how about you guys go via PM...Better yet when all this stuff is over with my mom if you want me to buy the dang cue I will..I realize JPs are a nice thing to have and a ding or whatever doesn't look good, but it still doesn't change the fact that Richard makes one hell of a hitting cue..and I doubt all of this effects the playability..

I'm sorry and I might be pissy but my mom might be dying and to hear you guys screaming about this crap is driving me nuts..
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Our thoughts and prayers go out for your Mom

rack'em zach'em sorry to hear about your Mom :sorry:

I just got off the phone with Richard....he refinished this cue and installed the wrap earlier last year -- NO the chip in the butt would not have been left there either.

Matching JP's were not made for the shafts with this cue; they would cost $95 to have a set made today; however, they won't match because of the brown phenolic material used.

I'm sorry PAL but nothing fabricated here :shakehead: Again, can't get the Seller to respond to my PM's :confused:

The damage to the cue doesn't effect the playability of the cue -- already told that to the Seller -- felt the thread should have called it out though.

What is a fair charge to have the dents removed from the shafts? $20 a piece??

We can't do much about the dings in the finish and chip in the buttcap....MAKE ME A REASONABLE OFFER
 
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This will be in 2 parts..too long for one.


Well folks I tried to reframe from getting involve in these types of threads as we have all have seen them and they usually go no where. I guess another part of me said just wait and let him dig his hole a little deeper. Of the 4500 people who read these two threads most where respectful and wise and said nothing. The ones who were not and thrive in this certainly showed themselves. I have always been a strong believer in what goes around, comes around, and that you get away with nothing in this life! In the end there is only one person that we have to answer to. What you have read or heard have only been half or part truths and many facts have been taken out of context. That is why there is a phrase that says, ?there is two sides of every story? and that is why in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. Ken, it is a good thing that you are not representing a client in court, because you wouldn?t make it past a deposition not to mention discovery. In fact you couldn?t make it past PAY-PAL. I would also like to start by saying to Flyingsnail that I think it was very rude and distasteful for you to post a link to my post of the cue for everyone to see. I didn?t do any business with you and don?t know why you sent me a personal PM. Here are the details of the sale. Keep in mind that no were in my post is J.Protectors mentioned or seen in pictures. Also does it say all sales are final anywhere?
I bought this cue from Jeff (custmqs) on Nov. 15th. Look it up. The first thing I did is call R.Harris, give him the S.N. to get the details on the cue. He stated that he put the wrap on about 1 to 1 ? years ago. Gave me to shaft diameters, weight, said that it was very nice, etc. When I bought and received the cue or any cue the first thing I do is take pictures, weigh, take shafts measurements, roll shafts, inspect, etc. I always ask seller if both shafts and butt roll perfect and I am concerned if shaft taper has been compromised. This cue checked out just fine and also hits and plays great. Reminded me of the feel and playability characteristics of my 1987 Franklin. I then called R.H. and PM?d seller and stated that the cue hits great etc. I have owned the S.W. for 20 years and decided to retire it and play with something else. So for the last year or so I have bought about 12 or so cues. I still have about 7 or 8 of those and have sold 4 or 5
 
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This B.Grass is excellent. Hits and plays great, but at 19oz even, just plays too light for me. I have only owned it for 7 weeks, have only hit like 4 racks with it and have never taken it out of the house. It is in the same condition as when I received it. It just sat on the wall in my cue rack and ever so often I would pick up and continue to give it another try. But ultimately I decided to sell the cue. Ken purchased cue for 1000.00 and asked me to take pay-pal. I did this and took the hit on the fees. I also paid for priority mail and the insurance. I paid 1050 and netted 950 in 7 weeks. But that’s ok. No one forced me to do this and if it cost me 50 or 100 bucks to get to try different cues that’s ok with me. I am not trying to make a living at this. It was a Friday and I suggested that we wait until Monday to mail so the cue wouldn’t be sitting somewhere over the weekend. In regards to the J.P’s …When Ken bought the cue at this time I did send PM stating matching J.P’s. Perhaps this was a bad choose of the verbiage used. I then PM’d a whole paragraph stating that I wanted him to be aware that Cue came with J.P. only for butt of cue that Richard had made. This can also be seen in post from Jeff whom I purchased cue from and who’s post Ken has also researched. I explained that when I received cue I then had 2 JP’s made for the shafts that were purchased off of Ebay. I told him that they are not that good but that they are better than nothing, there is no sense in me keeping them so I was sending them with cue. I believe that I even sent this explanation twice. Did you Ken then contact me and say that the whole deal is over? That to forget it, or refund your money. Did you post a copy of that on here for all to see? No you did not! But what you did do is send me a PM dated Jan. 28th stating that the “joint protectors are not a big deal”. Did you post this for all to see? NO but I guess 10 days after this you have decided that it is a big deal and post close up and magnified pictures. Also when you received cue the very first PM you sent me says “ I got the cue this afternoon….. It’s a nice cue!” Did you post this for all to see? In this same PM you say that one shaft is 12.91 and one is 12.82. (I posted both at over 13mm) and that the taper seams off. I then replied that no they certainly are not! One shaft is in fact 13.03 and the other 13.25 and explained on how to check the taper (measure). You replied that you apologize that your batteries in your caliper is either dead or almost dead. Well I don’t know about you folks but if I get a reply back of this nature immediately a red flag goes up. This is a ridiculous reply. Also did you post this reply on AZ for all to see? On 1/31 you send a PM stating that you now are aware after researching that the cue was previously own by (custmqs) and by (via). You now state that “since the cue has been play with by both me and Jeff” that you feel that it is not worth the 1000 and has been misrepresented and want to know what to do to resolve (another word for send you some money) this situation. You also say in this note for the second time “Honestly, it’s a nice cue” Did you post this for all to see? Well guess what, of course it has been played by me and Jeff. It has been played by several people. Did I post or ever say otherwise. Are the tips not half shot in the Pics? Does it not say a 2003 cue? Another issue stated is this chip in the butt. This is not what would be called a chip. It appears to be more of a flaw and is clear coated over. This can be seen in your pics and is in Jeff’s post from when I bought it and he more accurately refers to it as a dimple. Of course you take a magnified close up picture and make it look huge. I quite frankly had forgotten about it since the day I bought it. Many of you have commented that if buyer is not satisfied that cue should be sent back to seller for refund. No sales are finale. Do I believe this? Absolutely! I never said in my post “All sale are final”. But Ken demanded that I send him 1000.00 back plus 20 for shipping or that I make concessions (send him partial refund). Remember I already paid all shipping, insurance and pay pal fees. Does this sound reasonable? If I sent 1000 plus 20, how do I even know that I will get the cue or get it back in the same condition as I sent it. Would this be a smart business decision? Did he post this for all to see? I know that I bought a cue once that’s said test hit only, no bluing, shafts roll perfect. When I got it, both shafts wobbled, had bluing, and were test hit by everyone. Well I just sent back and paid insurance and shipping myself. I know that’s the chance we take. Many on here commented that shipping should be paid both ways by buyer. Even Ken’s sidekick stated this. The fact is Ken didn’t want to send the cue back he wanted concessions just like he said. And just like he asked for in his furious pay-pal claim, $300.00. Did he post this for all to see? Some have stated that he is not a cue flipper. But yet he posts his link constantly that has like 8 cues for sale right now! If you have 270 transactions on ebay and 74 Itrader on AZ either your flipping them or maybe just trying to buy every cue listed in the Blue Book of Cues. But that is ok. I have no problem with guys doing this and have bought from them. I know several are retired, maybe on a fixed income, maybe disabled (like the guy who made the extra JP’s) and just trying to make some extra cash. This is all good and ok by me. What I do have a problem with is someone trying to take advantage of some else, make false claims, bully them for concessions, try to get the cue down to $700, put a couple of new tips on it then repost 3 months later for $1100. After getting nowhere with Ken and after he kept finding fictitious flaws, and being called a liar, I had to make a decision and to tell him that I now considered this deal closed. I also cautioned him to think before slinging false accusations about me on AZ. So what does he do? He starts a thread titled “Guidelines for posting cues for sale” and then talks to FlyingSnail on the phone had has HIM post my link for all to see. Boy was this rehearsed! Flyingsnail I don’t recall doing business with you so what right do you have to incriminate me. Why are you sending me a PM. Have you seen the cue? You two are in two different states in fact are you not? Then we have a brilliantly made comment by Nick S. that Ken and Flyingsnail are “Well Off”. What the heck does that mean? How do you know I’m not? You know, I have worked since the 8th grade, retired at age 45; I live on accarage in a gated community in a 1.5m home. I am living quite well. Do I feel that I need to make this known to everyone? I have 164 positive feedbacks on Ebay without 1 problem or negative one. I have nothing but all positive transactions from pay-pal (why do you think they dismissed you so fast). But does that make me more creditable? Does having money make anyone more honest? Usually it’s the other way. If a sixteen-year-old kid came on here and posted a cue would it be right to assume that he is dishonest? After reading some of your post I guess some people think just that. I have been nothing but truthful during this whole transaction. It is a 2003 players cue just like I stated to you several times. You can see in the pics listed by Via, and Jeff the tips look Identical on the cue as when you received it from me. I am a smart guy. I do my own tips and shaft maintenance. Don’t you think that I would have replaced both tips, used Magic eraser on the bluing and polished the shafts if I was trying to pull a fast one on some one. Did I ever imply that it was unplayed or a like new pristine condition absolutely flawless cue? It is a very nice cue. Anyone can take picture and magnified them as we all know and make it look to there advantage. I just received a brand new 09 cue Wed. I took pictures like usual and the cue shows all kinds of stuff but I know what the camera does. I also find it especially disturbing that after about a week you now claim both shafts have nicks in them. Which is false. If they did do really think I would just mail to you in that manner. None of my sticks have nicks. If the shafts have nicks isn’t this something that the average person (not to mention someone with 244 reviews) might notice like as soon as they got it. You just jump from one thing to the other and never argued one aspect or flaw with intelligence. I am a good person and an honest person. I go to church every week, I vote, I am not a felon, I give to the community and charities. Who are YOU to sling these slanderous and false accusations about me? Why did you not do all your research and homework before you bought the cue? I believe that your sole desire was to think that you could get a cue that has (sold for 1100.00 several times before on AZ and is 1375 shipped new) for less than the current market value. Then you would turn around a make a quick 100 or more. When you received cue and feel that you can no longer do this you stretch the truths, give only part accounts of the facts, take blown up pictures and now demand $300 in concessions. Well you are barking up the wrong tree here. To those who have supported me and sent private PM’s, I thank you. For those who knew nothing but yet wanted to drop me with the hang mans loose on I have no comment at all for you. Life is too short.

Oh one more thing. I understand that Jeff (custmqs) sent you a very nice PM about the cue, why don’t you post that for all to see?

Mark
 
Huh?

....Yep, guilty as charged -- not an attorney. I asked you to refund me the money plus the costs of shipping or make a concession on the price.

You failed to disclose the damage to the cue and the JP's don't match it's that simple.

Yes, I've tried to find out the history of the cue after receiving it -- I don't recall seeing a pic or mention of the blemish during that research, anywhere.

It is a nice cue Mark but, I think I've said that a couple times, but, you failed to disclose things that IMHO should have been addressed in your thread or your correspondence to me before the sale was finalized.

I didn't see the point in posting all of our PMs or emails, etc.???

You continue to still miss the point -- any one of the things wrong with the cue probably would not be a big deal -- but, all of them together is a big deal. :angry:
 
This will do.

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Originally Posted by custmqs
Ken,

I'd prefer not to get involved other than to say that I sincerely believe that Mark meant no harm. The cue was used... it is a players cue that is 5+ years old and it has been played. It only had the JP for the butt, which was not even shown in the pictures or listed in the post. It was never described as pristine, but it was in good condition for a cue that has seen a fair amount of play. As a result it was sold at what I consider a discount from the market rate, especially considering the leather wrap.

Only you two know what was discussed privately and I hope you guys can work it out. At this point, there are a lot of people getting involved that don't have all the facts and that certainly is not helping. It seems there is loyalty on both sides and that is about the only positive thing that I can see coming out of this transaction.

I do wish you both luck and I hope this is put to rest quickly. It is still a very nice cue and it deserves to be played.

Best Regards,

Jeff
 
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Mark, you're first reply to me states the cue has matching JP's on Fri. 1/23.

Do you recall sending me the email on Mon. 1/26 telling me that by the way; the JP's don't really match.

I send you a PM after receiving the cue and tell you about the problems then follow up with pics and ask for you to propose a resolution. Yes, after you didn't make any proposal, I then asked for the $1,020 for the hassle or a concession where's the problem?!?

You tell me you inspected the cue closely and it had no issues yet it most certainly does have issues. I begin trying to figure out the history of the cue and share this info with you trying to figure out when/where/how this discrepancy could happen???

Maybe I'm not as intellectual as yourself but, I certainly can recognize that these tips aren't LePro's and, yes I would have thought that you would have noticed/remembered the buttcap had the chip/ding/whatever you want to call it plus, that the shafts both still have dings in them :rolleyes:
 
Please allow me...

...to set the record straight.

I was contacted by both Mark and Ken when this deal started to go sour. Over the last week or so I was asked questions by both gentlemen and I answered to the best of my ability. In my last communication, I sent Ken the following message:

Ken,

I'd prefer not to get involved other than to say that I sincerely believe that Mark meant no harm. The cue was used... it is a players cue that is 5+ years old and it has been played. It only had the JP for the butt, which was not even shown in the pictures or listed in the post. It was never described as pristine, but it was in good condition for a cue that has seen a fair amount of play. As a result it was sold at what I consider a discount from the market rate, especially considering the leather wrap.

Only you two know what was discussed privately and I hope you guys can work it out. At this point, there are a lot of people getting involved that don't have all the facts and that certainly is not helping. It seems there is loyalty on both sides and that is about the only positive thing that I can see coming out of this transaction.

I do wish you both luck and I hope this is put to rest quickly. It is still a very nice cue and it deserves to be played.

Best Regards,

Jeff


Within minutes of sending the PM, I saw that a PayPal claim was being filed. In an effort to be fair to both parties, I forward the note to Mark as well.

I did not (and do not) want to be in the middle of this dispute. Like everyone else, I was not a party to the transaction and I do not know what was discussed privately. As such, this will be my last communication publicly or privately. I wish you both luck in resolving this matter.
 
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01-29-2009, 09:27 PM
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Again I didn't mean to mislead you.

Mark

I had too many words thats why the 3 parts.


Hi Mark,

I just got home and took a couple pics to give you an idea of what I'm seeing.



The scuff is kinda hard to see in this pic - right below the ding in the end of the buttcap.




The end of the joint has a chip in the finish



Both shafts have a dent in them in this pic as well as the buttsleeve....a little difficult to see



The JP has a chip in the finish as well. I think you can see that the tips are layered and the one has a pad. I think they are suppose to be Kamui? Definitely not LePros.

You were right on the shaft dia.; my calipers needed a new battery; one is 13.1 and the other is 13.2.

Your last PM to me before I bought the cue said the cue had matching JP's. I should have probably asked you more questions
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The pics don't show up here but, they are the same pics posted earlier -- I don't think you should be to confused by this PM
 
Let's review how this played out.....

Fri 1/23 6:41 pm -- I inquiry about the cue and you reply as quoted above.

Fri 1/23 7:18 pm -- I respond PayPal? Mark it sold!

Fri 1/23 7:27 pm -- I reply to your response accepting PayPal and agree that shipping next weel is fine....payment momentarily.

Mon 1/26 12:40 pm -- You email me that the cue is shipped and by the way the JP's don't match.

Wed 1/28 5:07 pm -- I let you know I got the cue and have noticed some things which should have been disclosed.

Thu 1/29 8:59 am -- you send me a 3 Pt rely explaining you weren't trying to mislead me and that my measurements aren't correct, etc.

Thu 1/29 9:27 pm -- I send you the above PM with pics.

Fri 1/30 11:41 pm -- I send you a PM explaining what I've learned about the cue and ask for you to propose a resolution.

Sat 1/31 5:43 pm -- I send you a PM responding to you explaining I don't have buyer's remorse and the flaws should have been disclosed and the is essence reduce the value of the cue.

Sat 1/31 5:57 -- I send you a PM asking for a refund plus the shipping and I return the cue or a price concession

Sat 1/31 12:36 -- You send me a PM explaining your position and reveiwing the history of the cue, etc.

Sat 1/31 12:52 -- You send me a PM disagreeing with my assessment of the situation and try to explain you have already lost money on the deal and have positive feedback on Ebay, etc.
 
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Sun 2/1 2:49 pm -- You send me a PM to my request for a return or cash....you're working on something.

Mon 2/2 10:08 am -- You send me a PM stating that all my claims are untrue; you inspected the cue before you shipped it; I'm a flipper; I'm trying to take advantage of you; your buddy looked at the cue when you were packing it up, etc.

Mon 2/2 10:10 am -- You send me a PM "and I quote" The fact is that I was nothing but honest during this whole transaction and consider this deal complete and finale. I do not plan on reading any further PM?s from you and will caution you on slinging any accusations about me on AZ.

Mon 2/2 11:33 am -- I send you a PM with copies of your PMs trying to prove to you that I was mislead :mad: now.
 
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