Full Splice Blank collection

xianmacx

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Hello,

I've always loved Full splice cues. I received 4 Rounceville blanks today, his work is incredible. Look at those return points!

4 Rounceville, a Prather and 2 titlist
 

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ga9ball

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Very beautiful blanks, Andy does great work.
I have a few as well, can’t wait to see the finished product.
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xianmacx

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Thank for sharing Greg. Yes he is the king of the hill. I will take some better pictures of his blanks in the sun light tomorrow.
 

Steppo

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Those are all beautiful blanks. Wish my collection consisted of more than just one.
 

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buyit

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Look at those return points!
How does he get the returns so sharp? Is the outer veneer actually black, so that it blends in with the forearm, making it appear that the next needle sharp veneer is the outer venneer?

Also, why are the tops of the points chopped off? How does a cuemaker who finishes the blank get sharp points there?
 
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thoffen

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How does he get the returns so sharp? Is the outer veneer actually black, so that it blends in with the forearm, making it appear that the next needle sharp veneer is the outer venneer?

Also, why are the tops of the points chopped off? How does a cuemaker who finishes the blank get sharp points there?

Can't answer the first question. As to the latter, the points will end up sharp when the cue is turned to size. The geometry of a groove for points is a 90 degree wedge, tapered at an angle to go from the top of the points to the center of the blank on the bottom. The triangle shape comes from the taper. Point blanks in a short splice cue are square, not triangular. Full splice butt sections are prepared differently (in the case of these blanks, they started off as dowels), but they mate into the same V groove as would be the case in a short splice cue. Hopefully that makes sense. As long as the veneer and point wood go all the way to the end of the point at finish dimensions, it doesn't matter if there's still a gap in filling the whole groove when over-sized.
 

xianmacx

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How does he get the returns so sharp? Is the outer veneer actually black, so that it blends in with the forearm, making it appear that the next needle sharp veneer is the outer venneer?

Also, why are the tops of the points chopped off? How does a cuemaker who finishes the blank get sharp points there?
no idea how he gets them so sharp. Here is a close up of his compared to a prather and titlist. Quite a difference. The second picture is the top points of the rounceville and a titlist. The blanks are oversized and the points will be sharp once turned to size.
 

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thoffen

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The answer is a band saw.

At first I was going to say this didn't make sense as the butt sections were clearly turned before blank assembly, and it would be a bear to get the points centered. But thinking about it, you could be off and be just fine so long as oversize as the points will align the butt to the forearm. Just need to dial in the centers before final turning to make sure things come out even. I've never tried any of this myself, but I do wonder about cleaning up any saw marks or rough finish off the saw and how much movement you might expect on the blank after cutting since that isn't an operation you can do in baby steps.
 

Ssonerai

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At first I was going to say this didn't make sense as the butt sections were clearly turned before blank assembly, and it would be a bear to get the points centered. But thinking about it, you could be off and be just fine so long as oversize as the points will align the butt to the forearm. Just need to dial in the centers before final turning to make sure things come out even. I've never tried any of this myself, but I do wonder about cleaning up any saw marks or rough finish off the saw and how much movement you might expect on the blank after cutting since that isn't an operation you can do in baby steps.
It sounds like you are asking about FS?
If so, you need to bandsaw the prongs in 2 steps.
1st wastes the material and relieves stress in the wood. Sometimes the prongs warp, sometimes not.
Moving jig (stop block) to 2nd position for final cut trims the warped prongs so the joints are accurate.

If the prongs warped at 1st step, the outsides may look "funky" but if they are stable at the trim pass, the joint will be fine.
If the prong warps again on the finish pass, it might work, or you might decide to stop wasting time on it and stick it in the stovewood pile.
(actually, can be cut up for butt sleeves, etc. Or trim the prongs off & sell the rest to a short splice maker for material. :) )

It is possible to hone and true BS blades to make quite a nice cut. Don't use a band with too few teeth, though, it will wander because the gullets will always be full. Don't use a dull one for the same reason. After bandsawing, i always lightly refine the joint faces of prongs with a hook scraper or side rebate plane. Have posted pic in the past. You are looking for areas of gross obvious deviation. Not trying to smooth the cut. The geometry will rapidly go to heck if you try to make the saw cuts disappear. People have been making FS cues this way since the beginning, and a straight even kerf really does disappear when properly glued up. The thing any "joint tuning" before hand is only to remove an errant bump or such, if any.

smt
 

thoffen

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It sounds like you are asking about FS?
If so, you need to bandsaw the prongs in 2 steps.
1st wastes the material and relieves stress in the wood. Sometimes the prongs warp, sometimes not.
Moving jig (stop block) to 2nd position for final cut trims the warped prongs so the joints are accurate.

If the prongs warped at 1st step, the outsides may look "funky" but if they are stable at the trim pass, the joint will be fine.
If the prong warps again on the finish pass, it might work, or you might decide to stop wasting time on it and stick it in the stovewood pile.
(actually, can be cut up for butt sleeves, etc. Or trim the prongs off & sell the rest to a short splice maker for material. :) )

It is possible to hone and true BS blades to make quite a nice cut. Don't use a band with too few teeth, though, it will wander because the gullets will always be full. Don't use a dull one for the same reason. After bandsawing, i always lightly refine the joint faces of prongs with a hook scraper or side rebate plane. Have posted pic in the past. You are looking for areas of gross obvious deviation. Not trying to smooth the cut. The geometry will rapidly go to heck if you try to make the saw cuts disappear. People have been making FS cues this way since the beginning, and a straight even kerf really does disappear when properly glued up. The thing any "joint tuning" before hand is only to remove an errant bump or such, if any.

smt

Thanks! perfect answer. Makes sense to do the first less aggressive relief cut. Curious about the yield, but it is what it is. Is the first cut aggressive enough where the cutoffs could be used for short splice point blanks, for example? I have an unhealthy aversion to wasting material. :)
 

nick serdula

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Just going by what Tim Scruggs said all he needed was a band saw. He just refused to built like that.
 

xianmacx

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Its great to see the number of cuemakers doing FS w veneers. They have always been my favorite. I got my first blank from prather in 2005/2006 shortly after they started building them w veneers. At that time I was not aware of anyone else building them w sharp return points. Today there are many cuemakers making really nice full splice w sharp return points.
 
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