Fundamentals - Stepping Into The Shot

Hits 'em Hard said:
Master giver of advice, what would you advise then? You seem to forget a few things Pidge. Number one, you aren't capable of knowing what is or isn't proper advice to give. Number two, getting down into the ain't line varies due to body type. All that matters is consistency when you do get down and into a shot. Consistency. Not the idea that there's only one way to set down into a shot.
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If you don't like my advice, don't take it. Simple, eh?

Stephen Lee...fat, he still manages to step in.

Ricky Walden...lanky, he still manages to step in.

Judd trump...lefty and skinny, still manages to step in.

There is a reason all the very best snooker players walk onto the shot and don't step back.
 
Personally I like to step into & settle into 'the spot' but we are an assorted bag of cookies & no one cookie cutter is going to fit all of us & probably not even most of us.

That's why I think definitive statements should be tempered.

That's my 2 cents for which some would not give a plugged penny.

Best to ALL & Merry Christmas & Happy holidays,
Rick
 
For those of you that think it doesn't make a difference, just consider an extreme example for a moment:

Stand two inches from the cue ball and see how difficult it is to pick up the shot line. Then stand twenty feet away. Provided your vision is good enough you will see that it's easier to pick up the shot line when you are farther away from the table.

The mistake I see many players make when it comes to how they arrive on the shot line is they just "plop" down onto it after chalking or thinking or whatever. I see this all the time.

The problem with pool is there are so many different ways to make a ball, but this doesn't mean there aren't techniques that are more valuable than others. We can argue about the merits of using snooker fundamentals while playing pool, but what can't really be argued is the fact that snooker players have the most daunting task of all the disciples when it comes to landing on the shot line. They ALL step into this shot line. Why is that? I think it's because it's the best way to do so.

Thanks Pidge for another nice addition to your "Fundamentals" series.
 
Pidge said:
If you don't like my advice, don't take it. Simple, eh?

Stephen Lee...fat, he still manages to step in.

Ricky Walden...lanky, he still manages to step in.

Judd trump...lefty and skinny, still manages to step in.

There is a reason all the very best snooker players walk onto the shot and don't step back.
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Again, you see a tenth of what's really going and suddenly you've discovered a secret. It's called consistency. Doing the same thing over time to better the efficiency. Both my eyes are equal, but I'm right eye dominate. Normally the dominate eye is stronger, leading people to having to hold their cue under that eye. It helps them step into the line of the shot using that eye. It doesn't work that way for me. I'm better off stepping into the shot from the left or right, depending upon the cut angle. And of course once I do that, that is my stepping into the line of shot.

The way a person holds their cue. How big their step is. What's their dominate eye. And how do they compensate for squirt, BHE/FHE, other methods. All those variables dictate on how you step into the line of the shot. The only way to step into the shot correctly, is to consistently do the same thing. If it means scratching your nose before you get down, scratch your nose. But just telling people to step into the line of the shot is horrible advise. It's just one part of the equation and skipping the other parts won't lead to where you want.
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
Master giver of advice, what would you advise then? You seem to forget a few things Pidge. Number one, you aren't capable of knowing what is or isn't proper advice to give. Number two, getting down into the shot line varies due to body type. All that matters is consistency when you do get down and into a shot. Consistency. Not the idea that there's only one way to set down into a shot.
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Yikes, hope there's some sort of backstory between your two to warrant this response. I would advise not to swing like Happy Gilmore in golf, or shoot like Shawn Marion in basketball too.
 
jojopiff said:
Yikes, hope there's some sort of backstory between your two to warrant this response. I would advise not to swing like Happy Gilmore in golf, or shoot like Shawn Marion in basketball too.
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Except he was advising not to do what a current pro does. Happy Gilmore is a bad example. Jim Furyk would of been better. What do both Jim and Shawn have in common? They are both consistent on what they do. You notice what word I'm continually using to describe these situations? Consistency. It really doesn't matter if your form doesn't look like someone else's, and why should it? As long as you've developed your method for getting into the line of the shot. Your consistency will tell you whether there's a problem or not. Pidge does not understand what consistency means apparently.
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
Except he was advising not to do what a current pro does. Happy Gilmore is a bad example. Jim Furyk would of been better. What do both Jim and Shawn have in common? They are both consistent on what they do. You notice what word I'm continually using to describe these situations? Consistency. It really doesn't matter if your form doesn't look like someone else's, and why should it? As long as you've developed your method for getting into the line of the shot. Your consistency will tell you whether there's a problem or not. Pidge does not understand what consistency means apparently.
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I'm not arguing with what you said, nor what he said for that matter. To simply disagree is how a constructive conversation where all can learn is the goal. Your response did not fit that at all, you went into full attack mode.

Meh, I'll leave this be. As you were Main Forum...
 
Untempered Definitive Statements can have a certain effect on people.

I know they affect me a certain way. I stopped going to church a long time ago.
 
The best thing you can do is to try to emulate what looks good to you, but unfortunately that isn't always good enough. You have to know someone that can show you or you'll probably never get it "correct".

Personally my all time favorite player to watch has been Allison Fisher. Her approach and stroke/style is the best and least complicated I've ever seen. Her grace and simplicity is what makes her style so appealing to me. That being said I always tried to emulate her style and was semi successful with it, but it wasn't until I had a personal lesson with her that she told me how wrong I was doing almost everything. I took every word she told me and practiced it until it came out my ears and now I have a fairly natural "snooker" stroke and I feel my consistency has improved quite a bit because of it.

So if you do want to emulate someone watch as many videos as you can and pay attention to every detail. It's really hard to get someone elses approach to a shot correct without them giving you an actual lesson explaing how to do it correctly.
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
Except he was advising not to do what a current pro does. Happy Gilmore is a bad example. Jim Furyk would of been better. What do both Jim and Shawn have in common? They are both consistent on what they do. You notice what word I'm continually using to describe these situations? Consistency. It really doesn't matter if your form doesn't look like someone else's, and why should it? As long as you've developed your method for getting into the line of the shot. Your consistency will tell you whether there's a problem or not. Pidge does not understand what consistency means apparently.
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I, or any snooker instructor wouldn't teach you to copy Ronnie O'Sullivan in how he cues, how he grips, how he wobbles up and down, how his cue doesn't go straight but the difference between Ronnie and Mika for that matter is they aren't the average player, never was. They have talent beyond belief and a lifetime of experience under their belt practicing what they do. My advice was aimed at the amateurs struggling with staying on the line of aim. It was aimed to cut the learning process and aid their progression a little quicker.

If you care to take the time take a look at a thread I made about consistency :-) I covered all things the best I could in text.

One thing I know is I will consistently be making my 70, 80, 90 and 100 breaks with my little walk and step in, and you can consistently hit them hard...good luck to you, and merry Christmas ��
 
Pidge said:
One thing I know is I will consistently be making my 70, 80, 90 and 100 breaks with my little walk and step in, and you can consistently hit them hard...good luck to you, and merry Christmas ��
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I highly doubt you walk in and make those breaks. It would put you in such an elite class of players that you wouldn't have time to post here you'd be playing so much. For someone who just discovered how a small bit of information can help them, it's really absurd that you talk as if your an elite snooker player. If you truly did have an idea of what consistency is you would of used the word when bring up this topic. You didn't. You omitted information for whatever reason.
 
Wedge said:
You just cost me $132. After watching Nic Barrows I bought the 360 Stroke Trainer...thanks a lot buddy!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKLrR5J88MA

Wedge
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You will be singing my praises once you've done with that cue! If you can run a rack with it you're doing something right. They're very good and if you use it a lot I'm sure you will have one of the nicest looking strokes out there.

I bought my nephew one and thought how hard can it be. I set up a shot, hit the shot, the cue bent upwards into my jaw and a load of beard hair got stuck in the joint. Needless to say I clean shaved before I used it again.
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
I highly doubt you walk in and make those breaks. It would put you in such an elite class of players that you wouldn't have time to post here you'd be playing so much. For someone who just discovered how a small bit of information can help them, it's really absurd that you talk as if your an elite snooker player. If you truly did have an idea of what consistency is you would of used the word when bring up this topic. You didn't. You omitted information for whatever reason.
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You have very little idea of what an elite snooker player is capable of. I would be at best struggling to keep my head above water on the amateur tour. I haven't just had a magical moment and discovered stepping in is the best thing since sliced bread. I have made several threads on fundamentals and this was the latest installment of these threads.

Are you..
A) Mika Immonen
B) a raging aiming system fanatic, who doesn't have to stay on the line of aim to make balls like God.
C) a grumpy old git
D) pissed off that my advice doesn't match what you believe or doesn't match what you do

I'm tempted to go with D. Yep, ill take D as my final answer Mr Tarrant. No, no, I don't want to phone a friend, Chris...im saving that for the £32,000 question. D, final answer.

You keep trying to put me down. I'll keep ploughing on and offering advice that actually helps players improve and to greater AzB so newcomers don't get put off joining and asking questions whilst you try bash a guy trying to help. Its people like you that tarnish what should be a great site for the pool community to come together and share advice and tips, stories and laughs. But no, rather than letting something you don't agree with slide, like 99% of people do on here you whose to chime in with a snotty attempt and putting me down.

You keep hitting them hard now. Happy crimbo :-)
 
stepping into the shot is a classic fundamental i thought maybe thats from my scottish upbringing in snooker however yes i showed soem of my local teamates this technique and they loved it, now they dont miss albeit on a 7inch valley
 
actionplayer said:
stepping into the shot is a classic fundamental i thought maybe thats from my scottish upbringing in snooker however yes i showed soem of my local teamates this technique and they loved it, now they dont miss albeit on a 7inch valley
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I'd hope they don't miss on a 7 inch table... :-)
 
Pidge said:
You have very little idea of what an elite snooker player is capable of. I would be at best struggling to keep my head above water on the amateur tour. I haven't just had a magical moment and discovered stepping in is the best thing since sliced bread. I have made several threads on fundamentals and this was the latest installment of these threads.

Are you..
A) Mika Immonen
B) a raging aiming system fanatic, who doesn't have to stay on the line of aim to make balls like God.
C) a grumpy old git
D) pissed off that my advice doesn't match what you believe or doesn't match what you do

I'm tempted to go with D. Yep, ill take D as my final answer Mr Tarrant. No, no, I don't want to phone a friend, Chris...im saving that for the £32,000 question. D, final answer.

You keep trying to put me down. I'll keep ploughing on and offering advice that actually helps players improve and to greater AzB so newcomers don't get put off joining and asking questions whilst you try bash a guy trying to help. Its people like you that tarnish what should be a great site for the pool community to come together and share advice and tips, stories and laughs. But no, rather than letting something you don't agree with slide, like 99% of people do on here you whose to chime in with a snotty attempt and putting me down.

You keep hitting them hard now. Happy crimbo :-)
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Your posting spree has finally got to me. What you talk about is very good information. The way you present it is horrible. If you consistently hit 70+breaks you would win every match you play in. Consistently is lost meaning on you. Consistency doesn't mean 1 out of 10 times you do something. It means 10 out of 10 times you do the same thing. You keep insulting me all you want, I'll keep exposing your twisted truths.
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
Your posting spree has finally got to me. What you talk about is very good information. The way you present it is horrible. If you consistently hit 70+breaks you would win every match you play in. Consistently is lost meaning on you. Consistency doesn't mean 1 out of 10 times you do something. It means 10 out of 10 times you do the same thing. You keep insulting me all you want, I'll keep exposing your twisted truths.
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I was right, wasn't I. It was D. Knew it.

Keep hitting them hard.

...consistently, of course ;-)
 
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