Future Tech Pool Cue

the chicken

the chicken

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Anyone know if a cue maker is working on the installation of an accelerometer, memory and USB port to measure, record and download stroke speed and force of impact?

Ima thinking the hardware requirements wouldn't adversely affect a cue's performance and it sure would help a player to quantify and define their stroke, and compare it to results obtained by others.

Any info on this subject would be appreciated.
 
the chicken said:
Anyone know if a cue maker is working on the installation of an accelerometer, memory and USB port to measure, record and download stroke speed and force of impact?

Ima thinking the hardware requirements wouldn't adversely affect a cue's performance and it sure would help a player to quantify and define their stroke, and compare it to results obtained by others.

Any info on this subject would be appreciated.
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If you were keen on doing it you could probably fabricate something into the butt of an off the shelf cue?

*EDIT* Just looked up some parts and it should be reasonably straightforward to fashion a wireless accelerometer module, li-po battery and usb port for linkup/flashing/charging into a unit that would screw into the butt a la Limbsaver
 
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And what would a computer read out do for you in the long run?

There are approx 3 different speeds that you should practice.
Slow, medium and fast or soft, medium and hard and everything in between.

There are simple drills you can practice for speed control and believe me,
thats all it is. Practice. No computer read out will do that for you.

You can put a computer chip in your bum if you like and find out how explosive your bowel movements are. Just kidding of course, unless you like putting things in your bum.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
And what would a computer read out do for you in the long run?

There are approx 3 different speeds that you should practice.
Slow, medium and fast or soft, medium and hard and everything in between.

There are simple drills you can practice for speed control and believe me,
thats all it is. Practice. No computer read out will do that for you.

You can put a computer chip in your bum if you like and find out how explosive your bowel movements are. Just kidding of course, unless you like putting things in your bum.
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An accelerometer could also be used to work out stroke flaws; could tell you if you are adding unwanted movement and where in your stroke... probably other things too, it's a way to get more data for the nerds to crunch, it's all good.
 
Your brain and eyes will tell you that when you screw up your shot.
Put the cue ball back where it was and try again.

You can crunch data while at the pool table or do it on a computer.
Choice is yours but I can tell you who the better player will be.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Your brain and eyes will tell you that when you screw up your shot.
Put the cue ball back where it was and try again.

You can crunch data while at the pool table or do it on a computer.
Choice is yours but I can tell you who the better player will be.
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Perhaps OP wants to do both, they are not mutually exclusive...
 
the chicken said:
Anyone know if a cue maker is working on the installation of an accelerometer, memory and USB port to measure, record and download stroke speed and force of impact?
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Not a cue maker...but me actually. :grin:

USB accelerometers are now very small and commonly available.

Quantitative stroke analysis is the goal, not practice replacement.

It has already been done in a university lab by the way.



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the chicken said:
Anyone know if a cue maker is working on the installation of an accelerometer, memory and USB port to measure, record and download stroke speed and force of impact?

Ima thinking the hardware requirements wouldn't adversely affect a cue's performance and it sure would help a player to quantify and define their stroke, and compare it to results obtained by others.

Any info on this subject would be appreciated.
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I could surely use this when playing inter-galactic pool on another planet. Could it come with a shark detector and a handicap calculator, so I could book a fair game?
 
SoniCue

Just last week, while practicing long straight-in shots, I thought how cool it would be if I could receive real time audio feedback of what my cue was doing while stroking. Some sort of miniature accelerometers inside my cue, that would detect not only front/back, but also side movements, and output an audio signal to Bluetooth ear buds. You could even make the ideal stroke sound like a light saber!
So... I started a search for hardware and info, and came across this....
http://www.tue.nl/en/university/dep...ram/student-projects/master-projects/sonicue/.

As usual, I'm a day late and a dollar short.

Dan
 
oldschool1478 said:
Just last week, while practicing long straight-in shots, I thought how cool it would be if I could receive real time audio feedback of what my cue was doing while stroking. Some sort of miniature accelerometers inside my cue, that would detect not only front/back, but also side movements, and output an audio signal to Bluetooth ear buds. You could even make the ideal stroke sound like a light saber!
So... I started a search for hardware and info, and came across this....
http://www.tue.nl/en/university/dep...ram/student-projects/master-projects/sonicue/.

As usual, I'm a day late and a dollar short.

Dan
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Hah, that's pretty much how I pictured such a device to look.
 
Chopdoc said:
Not a cue maker...but me actually. :grin:

USB accelerometers are now very small and commonly available.

Quantitative stroke analysis is the goal, not practice replacement.

It has already been done in a university lab by the way.



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Quantitative stroke analysis??? :thud:

Oh boy. Here we go. There will be a QSA academy open up somewhere next week. :grin:
 
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Some pool players worry about the tiniest, most insignificant details about our wonderful game. Do you wanna know the *REAL* secret to getting better at pool? I'll tell you, but you gotta promise not to tell anyone else. Here it is: practice, and lots of it.

Worrying about technology in pool is a moot point. How in the hell was Willie Mosconi able to run 526 balls in straight pool without a Moori tip? How was "Machine Gun" Lou Butera able to run 150 and out in 21 minutes without using Kamui chalk to prevent miscues? How was Raymond Cuelemans able to dominate 3-Cushion Billiards for decade after decade without a low-deflection shaft? My God! Don't these guys know pool is impossible without all these technological advances?!?

The same is true for golf, which is probably the single biggest proponent of the "space age technology automatically makes you better" theory. Sure, the fancy new clubs really help us hackers and slicers. But there's still old golf records standing today that were set with wooden drivers and "iron" irons that even Tiger Woods can't beat with the best golf clubs on the face of the planet.

Pool is actually a very easy game, but we allow our brains to get in the way. All you gotta do is hit the cue ball into the object just right and you'll never miss. Yes, that's easier said than done. But, computer programs, accelerometers, magical chalk, fancy tips, and engineered shafts will not fix your problem as easy as waving Harry Potter's wand. Only your brain and your arm can fix it.

Yes, of course, the technological advances in our equipment has made *some* difference, maybe even a *significant* difference. But, playing with all these new toys doesn't guarantee you victory over someone using a beat-up one-piece bar cue with a seven year old dried out Le Pro, using whatever free chalk is sitting on the rail. Until the day that every pool game on every pool table is won by the equipment, and not the player using it, I don't think we need to worry about all these little details.
 
this device would need to be ver complex. just an example...how would it recognize english put on the cueball? too many variables to make this a viable tool. as a wise man said, "practice, practice; practice..."
 
jschelin99 said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Some pool players worry about the tiniest, most insignificant details about our wonderful game. Do you wanna know the *REAL* secret to getting better at pool? I'll tell you, but you gotta promise not to tell anyone else. Here it is: practice, and lots of it.

Worrying about technology in pool is a moot point. How in the hell was Willie Mosconi able to run 526 balls in straight pool without a Moori tip? How was "Machine Gun" Lou Butera able to run 150 and out in 21 minutes without using Kamui chalk to prevent miscues? How was Raymond Cuelemans able to dominate 3-Cushion Billiards for decade after decade without a low-deflection shaft? My God! Don't these guys know pool is impossible without all these technological advances?!?

The same is true for golf, which is probably the single biggest proponent of the "space age technology automatically makes you better" theory. Sure, the fancy new clubs really help us hackers and slicers. But there's still old golf records standing today that were set with wooden drivers and "iron" irons that even Tiger Woods can't beat with the best golf clubs on the face of the planet.

Pool is actually a very easy game, but we allow our brains to get in the way. All you gotta do is hit the cue ball into the object just right and you'll never miss. Yes, that's easier said than done. But, computer programs, accelerometers, magical chalk, fancy tips, and engineered shafts will not fix your problem as easy as waving Harry Potter's wand. Only your brain and your arm can fix it.

Yes, of course, the technological advances in our equipment has made *some* difference, maybe even a *significant* difference. But, playing with all these new toys doesn't guarantee you victory over someone using a beat-up one-piece bar cue with a seven year old dried out Le Pro, using whatever free chalk is sitting on the rail. Until the day that every pool game on every pool table is won by the equipment, and not the player using it, I don't think we need to worry about all these little details.
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Advancements in technology gives you the ability to collect more information than you could in the past. This thread is very forward thinking..... and is something we could use more of. Why can't we have technical advances and still practice? Golf intructors now use computers to watch a swing and they compare them over a period of time. They have it down to a science. Why not use some of the same principals in pool? According to you we shouldn't because the only thing you need is practice.

People like you that drag your feet hold everybody back. We should try all these ideas. If just 1 out 100 works it was worth the time and effort to research it.
 
I've always wanted to put a pedometer in my butt ....ah, my cue butt....and have it count the number of shots.

There is a piss load of info that could be had from a smart butt.

Hopefully, this thread will pique the interest of some cue makers.

Jeff Livingston
 
Mr. Bond said:
imo the billiard community would be better served with lo-jack technology installed into cues :cool:
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I suggested such a thing in the cue makers forum last year. Basically a passive device, like the one they use in animals under the skin.



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jschelin99 said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Some pool players worry about the tiniest, most insignificant details about our wonderful game. Do you wanna know the *REAL* secret to getting better at pool? I'll tell you, but you gotta promise not to tell anyone else. Here it is: practice, and lots of it.

Worrying about technology in pool is a moot point. How in the hell was Willie Mosconi able to run 526 balls in straight pool without a Moori tip? How was "Machine Gun" Lou Butera able to run 150 and out in 21 minutes without using Kamui chalk to prevent miscues? How was Raymond Cuelemans able to dominate 3-Cushion Billiards for decade after decade without a low-deflection shaft? My God! Don't these guys know pool is impossible without all these technological advances?!?

The same is true for golf, which is probably the single biggest proponent of the "space age technology automatically makes you better" theory. Sure, the fancy new clubs really help us hackers and slicers. But there's still old golf records standing today that were set with wooden drivers and "iron" irons that even Tiger Woods can't beat with the best golf clubs on the face of the planet.

Pool is actually a very easy game, but we allow our brains to get in the way. All you gotta do is hit the cue ball into the object just right and you'll never miss. Yes, that's easier said than done. But, computer programs, accelerometers, magical chalk, fancy tips, and engineered shafts will not fix your problem as easy as waving Harry Potter's wand. Only your brain and your arm can fix it.

Yes, of course, the technological advances in our equipment has made *some* difference, maybe even a *significant* difference. But, playing with all these new toys doesn't guarantee you victory over someone using a beat-up one-piece bar cue with a seven year old dried out Le Pro, using whatever free chalk is sitting on the rail. Until the day that every pool game on every pool table is won by the equipment, and not the player using it, I don't think we need to worry about all these little details.
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Quantitative stroke analysis. Even the eyes of the observing instructors fail. It would be a tool to analyze stroke, not to be used all the time while playing.

I would not suggest it replace practice either. Not at all.

Merely an analysis tool for stroke.


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jcs003 said:
this device would need to be ver complex. just an example...how would it recognize english put on the cueball? too many variables to make this a viable tool. as a wise man said, "practice, practice; practice..."
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Stroke analysis only. Such a device can't tell what happens to the cue ball at all and would not be intended to.

It would be invaluable in my estimation, especially as an instruction tool.

It would be extremely viable for the intended purpose.



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