Gambling Scenario - Opinions?

Kid Dynomite

Dennis (Michael) Wilson
Silver Member
So I'm not a gambler, probably never will, but am I to understand that if you gamble you have to be willing to be held hostage by a losing player (if you win) until he's ready to give up, or be considered an ass because you actually won some money??
Not at all!

Most tell people how long they can play! That is standard practice! Often time people set a cut off time. On occasion person gets a emergency phone call or situation and notified the opponent.

But it is poor practice to say I can stay till 11PM get a head 4 games and then renege 2 hours earlier than the cut off time and sit around the pool room sipping mint julips!

Basically that is the scenario!

Pretty messed up!

Kd


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drlouis

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Not at all!

Most tell people how long they can play! That is standard practice! Often time people set a cut off time. On occasion person gets a emergency phone call or situation and notified the opponent.

But it is poor practice to say I can stay till 11PM get a head 4 games and then renege 2 hours earlier than the cut off time and sit around the pool room sipping mint julips!

Basically that is the scenario!

Pretty messed up!

Kd
ok, so sounds like the main mistake this guy made was not setting a time to quit and then sticking to it?
 

Flatfoot

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
If player B was upset that player A quit while ahead...I'd say that player B needs to grow up and become a man. This stupid idea that a player has to stay around and give the loser a chance to win his money back, is what kids do, not men. I've had many people quit on me while they were ahead. I've never had a problem with that, because what that guy does is his business, not mine. It amazes me how childish a grown up man (supposedly grown up) can be. So, if you're down $80.00 and he quits, just win next time. If you don't win, then adjust the bet. But goodnight, if you think the other guy has to give you a chance to win your money back, start making the decision to grow up!
 

336Robin

Multiverse Operative
Silver Member
When you lock horns with someone there are no rules.

Hurt feelings are why its best to Stay out of it. 1 person pissed off will
get over it. 2 people pissed off might cost you business or worse friendships.
 

ChrisinNC

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Not at all!

Most tell people how long they can play! That is standard practice! Often time people set a cut off time. On occasion person gets a emergency phone call or situation and notified the opponent.

But it is poor practice to say I can stay till 11PM get a head 4 games and then renege 2 hours earlier than the cut off time and sit around the pool room sipping mint julips!

Basically that is the scenario!

Pretty messed up!

Kd


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I'm relieved to see at least one person here agrees with me as to what a tool this guy was. Not that he quit, but what he did after he quit.
 

Kid Dynomite

Dennis (Michael) Wilson
Silver Member
If player B was upset that player A quit while ahead...I'd say that player B needs to grow up and become a man. This stupid idea that a player has to stay around and give the loser a chance to win his money back, is what kids do, not men. I've had many people quit on me while they were ahead. I've never had a problem with that, because what that guy does is his business, not mine. It amazes me how childish a grown up man (supposedly grown up) can be. So, if you're down $80.00 and he quits, just win next time. If you don't win, then adjust the bet. But goodnight, if you think the other guy has to give you a chance to win your money back, start making the decision to grow up!
Bottom line is that if you believe in quit any time then tell your opponent that is how it is!

But, people don't say anything because they are too scared that the opponent gets up and quits unexpectedly.

As long as you are honest with people. It is all good. But, being deceptive about the practice of quitting is not. Certainly not gaming your opponent and saying surprise surprise!

Kd

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jimmyco

NRA4Life
Silver Member
Player A didn't just quit. He informed his friend he was not going to take him down for $100. He did this when he was up $60. Who knows why, maybe he knows the financial limits of his friend.

Anyway, he said it was the last set before it was played and only the last set if he won.

This according to the OP.
 

Kid Dynomite

Dennis (Michael) Wilson
Silver Member
Player A didn't just quit. He informed his friend he was not going to take him down for $100. He did this when he was up $60. Who knows why, maybe he knows the financial limits of his friend.

Anyway, he said it was the last set before it was played and only the last set if he won.

This according to the OP.

Much different scenario When notified it was the last set. Win lose or draw!

Kd



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ChrisinNC

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Player A didn't just quit. He informed his friend he was not going to take him down for $100. He did this when he was up $60. Who knows why, maybe he knows the financial limits of his friend.

Anyway, he said it was the last set before it was played and only the last set if he won.

This according to the OP.
Believe me, the financial well being of his opponent was the last thing on his mind. He had lost $75 in his tournament entry fee and his calcutta purchases for himself and a few other players - all of which got knocked out early. As soon as he'd virtually won back his night's losses, he was satisfied.

He had absolutely no consideration for his opponent, who still wanted to play, and could afford to. Problem is, he didn't have the decency to leave the poolroom after quitting. Clearly, some of you who have responded to this thread don't have any problem with his actions. I see it very differently.
 

Echelon

The hill hill thrilla
Silver Member
As for the OP, i would suggest staying out of it. As for quitting, there is etiquette but no rules. He can do what he wants but that doesn't mean there are no consequences. Though we likely don't know the whole story, lets say we do, player A is not going to get much action in the future, those are the consequences. Bigger score, the consequences get much worse.
 

jackpot

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Good move

Two of our top players got knocked out of our weekly 9-ball tourney early last night, so they decided to match up and play some $20 sets. Both players, in their 30s, have played in our room as well as other poolrooms and tournaments for 20+ years and are among our top players. Player B has far more gambling experience than player A, but player A still has been around long enough that he should know what is acceptable in terms of gambling protocols. Neither of them are big gamblers, but they enjoy placing something $$ on their sets.

Player A got 3 sets ($60) up on player B, then player A informed player B his limit was $80 and he was planning to quit if he got to $80. The next set went hill-hill and player A won, and then quit. Player B still wanted to play more sets, but player A refused.

Then player A informed player B they could keep playing, just for fun, and player B refused, saying that was out of the question, and that he would never be playing him again. Player A then sat and observed tournament matches for another hour or more, before leaving. If he had made it to the finals of the tourney, which he often does, he would have been there up to 2 more hours.

I am the tournament director, as well as the proprietor and owner of the poolroom.
Both of these players are regular customers, and I consider both of them as friends of mine for many years. When player B told me what transpired, I was very angry.

I understand that what transpires between 2 players gambling is their business, so I am contemplating whether I should choose to stay completely out of it, or when I get the chance, to have a private conversation with player A, explaining to him that what he did was not acceptable, that player B had valid reason to be very angry, and explain to him exactly why, in hopes that he would learn from his mistake and not think he could do this again.

Just curious what others here think about this situation and as to what I, as Proprietor, as well as being a friend of both players should do, if anything?

Player B has his nose open, tell player A to jack the bet and get in with him.
jack
 

Get_A_Grip

Truth Will Set You Free
Silver Member
I had a situation just last night where we were playing scotch doubles cheap after league ended.

But after playing for an hour or so, I mentioned that in 20 minutes I needed to leave. The losing players said that I didn't say that when we started.

So that means that anytime you start to gamble, you need to stay until bar close? I think not.

We decided to play a half hour longer as a compromise. Then when time was up, we offered to play one last game at double or nothing. They declined.

Then I packed up my stuff and was just finishing my beer, and one guy kept saying -- go home. Like I couldn't take 5 minutes to finish my beer.

Trust me, some of the losers will always try to find something to claim that the winner is out of line in some way.

In the OP case, the one player was a nit. In our case, we gave them an option to get even at least, but even that was not good enough.
 
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maha

from way back when
Silver Member
i always say when we start, quit whenever you want just like in a casino.

but if he growls about it later on if i get tired or see he is coming on and might get even. then i offer to flip a coin double or nothing until he is broke or gets even . or one game double or nothing. none ever take it.
 

smashmouth

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
pretty standard quit winner scenario, unfortunately

player b should not gamble, player a should show some more gambling ettiqutte
 

easy-e

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
"...player A informed player B his limit was $80 and he was planning to quit if he got to $80.

..."

That is much different than saying “we’ll play one more set”.

For the record, I always tell my opponent how many sets I’m willing to play before we start. I feel no obligation to ever let someone have a chance to win back and losses, but if I enjoyed their company I will play with them again sometime. Believe it or not, many people will find a way to be upset with you even if you told them exactly how long you’re willing to play. People suck.

Also, I’m the type of guy that would rather play one long set for everything rather than a lot of short ones. At the end, someone wins and someone loses.
 
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