Gambling Spot - Wild Ball

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FeelDaShot

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I know gambling rules vary greatly depending on whatever rules are agreed upon but what are the typical rules for this scenario:

One player is getting a ball spot in 9-ball. The ball is wild except it doesn't count on the break. It's rack your own.

1. If the wild ball is made on the break does it spot up?

2. Does the answer to #1 above change depending on who is breaking?

3. Is the racking position of the spotted ball predetermined? If yes, is it the same position for both players? (i.e. Can the better player rack the wild ball on the wing?)

4. Does the wild ball spot up if it's intentionally made during a push-out shot after the break?
 
1. If the wild ball is made on the break does it spot up? Since you said it doesnt count on the break, yes.

2. Does the answer to #1 above change depending on who is breaking? Depends on if you put the stipulation that it counts for one player or the other.

3. Is the racking position of the spotted ball predetermined? If yes, is it the same position for both players? (i.e. Can the better player rack the wild ball on the wing?)
Typically it goes behind the one. Again, this is dependent on whether it counts on the break or not. If not, theres no real advantage gained by racking it behind the one. If it goes its going to spot anyways.

4. Does the wild ball spot up if it's intentionally made during a push-out shot after the break?
Yes, unless you want to enter into fisticuffs. :thumbup:
 
pt109 said:
To me, the wild ball is treated the same as the nine ball.
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Yes. "Wild" was treated that way as the standard. It was important to rack the wild ball in a safe place, generally next to the one. Of course various "claw back" conditions were sometimes agreed to such as it didn't count on the break in which case it got racked in the wing position.

I think it's better in general to spot games on the wire. That way both players are playing the same game and there is less discussion of "situations". Games on the wire is also less dependent on the table -- the wild 8 is a larger spot on a tight table.
 
FeelDaShot said:
I know gambling rules vary greatly depending on whatever rules are agreed upon but what are the typical rules for this scenario:

One player is getting a ball spot in 9-ball. The ball is wild except it doesn't count on the break. It's rack your own.

1. If the wild ball is made on the break does it spot up?

2. Does the answer to #1 above change depending on who is breaking?

3. Is the racking position of the spotted ball predetermined? If yes, is it the same position for both players? (i.e. Can the better player rack the wild ball on the wing?)

4. Does the wild ball spot up if it's intentionally made during a push-out shot after the break?
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All these questions need to clearly be agreed upon before the match. As this is a gambling matchup between two players and not a tournament, all rules for this match in regards to the spot are negtotiable between the two players, including specifying what happens and what is permitted with all the scenarios you mention. There is no correct right or wrong answer to any of the 4 questions you posed - all negotiable.
 
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ChrisinNC said:
All these questions need to clearly be agreed upon before the match. As this is a gambling matchup between two players and not a tournament, all rules for this match in regards to the spot are negtotiable between the two players, including specifying what happens and what is permitted with all the scenarios you mention. There is no correct right or wrong answer to any of the 4 questions you posed - all negotiable.
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"I know gambling rules vary greatly depending on whatever rules are agreed upon but what are the typical rules for this scenario..."

I totally understand what you're saying (see first line of my post). I just want to know what is typically agreed upon when giving up a ball spot. I was in a situation last night where neither of us were sure how it was typically handled and eventually we agreed to something but I'm not sure it was the correct way of doing it.

There has to be a set of rules that is somewhat standard here and typically used unless noted otherwise.
 
FeelDaShot said:
I know gambling rules vary greatly depending on whatever rules are agreed upon but what are the typical rules for this scenario:

One player is getting a ball spot in 9-ball. The ball is wild except it doesn't count on the break. It's rack your own.

1. If the wild ball is made on the break does it spot up?

2. Does the answer to #1 above change depending on who is breaking?

3. Is the racking position of the spotted ball predetermined? If yes, is it the same position for both players? (i.e. Can the better player rack the wild ball on the wing?)

4. Does the wild ball spot up if it's intentionally made during a push-out shot after the break?
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Based on your most recent reply to my post, I'm guessing this is how it is most commonly played in regards to your 4 questions, assuming you are getting the spot.

1. If it is made on the break it stays down if your opponent makes it on their break, but it spots back up and you keep shooting if you make it on your break.

2. Answered above.

3. Spotted ball or 2 balls are racked in either of the two positions in front the 9-ball or either of the two positions behind the 9-ball, for either player's break.

4. If your opponent makes the spotted ball on the push-out, it spots back up. If you accidentally make it on the push-out, it stays down.
 
FeelDaShot said:
... There has to be a set of rules that is somewhat standard here and typically used unless noted otherwise.
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We don't even have TDs of major tournaments agreeing on what the basic rules of nine ball are and you expect there to be a standard at gambling spots? Even if there were a written list, when your opponent says, "That's not what we do here," there is no list.

What you can do is make your own list. In fact that might be useful to other people here. You could post it at your PH and point to it before the set and say, "Wild like that." It could save a lot of "earnest discussion" when situations arise.
 
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