game evaluation

mgregory

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After 35 yrs. of off and on playing I am trying to move my game up to the next level and I would like a systematic method to evaluate my game as I progress.

Is there a system to score a game so that data can be accumulated for evaluation? What I am looking for is something similar to base ball game record keeping where hits, runs, errors, batting average and so on is kept.

Thanks in advance
 
If your talking about solo practice there are some things you can do.

Joe Tuckers 10 ball drill is fun,

play 10 racks, break and take ball in hand, shoot till you miss. Whatever amount of balls you pocket is your score for that paticular rack. Your points accumulate over 10 racks.

Look up Fargo on the forum. The idea of this game is to give you a running average as you improve.

Finally you can keep track of how many innings on average it takes you to get through a rack.
 
Allen hopkins has one for offence. its called 99 same as other game described .you take ball in hand after break and count points for amount of balls run and go to next rack add total score of 10 racks.and he has a score sheet to refrence your skill level it makes you bear down on shot making and cue ball control.he has it in some billiards digest .I played that a few years ago and felt it helped me some.seems even by yourself you try hard.
 
mgregory said:
After 35 yrs. of off and on playing I am trying to move my game up to the next level and I would like a systematic method to evaluate my game as I progress.

Is there a system to score a game so that data can be accumulated for evaluation? What I am looking for is something similar to base ball game record keeping where hits, runs, errors, batting average and so on is kept.

Thanks in advance


Yeah, there's this great system called gambling. You go to the bank before you get your cue out. When you put your cue away, if you have to go to the bank again, you have work to do. If you don't have to go to the bank again all week, you're getting better.
 
Wyoming Will said:
Yeah, there's this great system called gambling. You go to the bank before you get your cue out. When you put your cue away, if you have to go to the bank again, you have work to do. If you don't have to go to the bank again all week, you're getting better.
not true you could be winning games gambling but against below average players.yes they gamble too.
 
Wyoming Will said:
I guess I'm not funny.

I thought it was real funny because that is the only way I have practiced for the entire time I have been playing, And I don't go to the bank often, not that I try to hustle, I just try to get a handicap if I play someone better than me.

Now I am playing local tournaments and I am having trouble playing even with people I taught to play 25yrs ago.

After not playing for about 8 yrs, I currently practice 1 hr in the morning, 2 hrs each evening, and play at least 3 tournament a week.

I am not looking to evaluate my overall game, I am looking to evaluate how I am improving on the individual components of my game...

I want to keep statistics on things like what percentage of banks do I make, what % of long straight shots do I make, when I fail to run the table is it because of a missed shot or poor leave? Things like these so that I know where to focus my practice.

Thanks for all the input.
 
mgregory said:
the only way I have practiced for the entire time I have been playing, And I don't go to the bank often, not that I try to hustle, I just try to get a handicap if I play someone better than me.

I'd like to lend a thought if I may.

I just found your above statement interesting because although I'm not really or ever have been a big gambler in the 45+ yrs I've been playing, I never ever wanted a spot. I'd much rather play for smaller stakes and loose than experience an empty win.

What would it prove to myself, or my shooting ability, or any improvement I hoped to gain, if I were better at 7 ball than my opponent was at 9 ball if for example I were spotted the 7+8?

I think trying to improve by playing better players is key, but I also believe that any benefit from it is removed by accepting a spot. I suppose an odds spot with money would be ok, but getting balls or games on the wire is counter productive IMO.

I don't think keeping statistics is a good way to improve. Keeping notes on doing something the same way you have in the past will just give you pages of notes.

To improve, IMO it requires an awareness of something missing or being done wrong in your game and execution. This is where instruction from a trained billiard instructor will help.

Everyone's shortcomings are different and individual, but I can tell you that long ago, for me, a little light went on, and I realized "hey, wait a minute, I'm not missing because I don't see the point of aim or the point of contact, I'm missing because I'm not delivering to that point of aim smoothly and correctly."

Once I refocused on my delivery, follow through, and trust in the shot, my game improved more in a month than it had in first 25yrs I played.

Lastly, while 9 ball has it's benefits with respect to shot making, IMO it lacks in benefit to a much more important facet of the game needed to improve. That being the feeling of "dead stroke", "dead punch", "in the moment", "hypnotized".

Call it what you want, shooting 3 or 4 balls or even running out an occasional full game and then sitting down letting your opponent pocket a few balls, then you shoot a few, cannot allow you to delve into the feeling of dead stroke so easily as you strive to improve. I think that feeling in vital to good play.

Once you are advanced enough, I think the game is less important because you can more easily put yourself in that place mentally that you need to be because you've also practiced that feeling more. But initially, I think 9 ball is a poor way to find dead stroke.

That's why I suggest straight pool. You need to get in the groove to run racks, play tight position by touch, and simply get better used to the feeling of being in a trance.
 
mgregory said:
I thought it was real funny because that is the only way I have practiced for the entire time I have been playing, And I don't go to the bank often, not that I try to hustle, I just try to get a handicap if I play someone better than me.

Now I am playing local tournaments and I am having trouble playing even with people I taught to play 25yrs ago.

After not playing for about 8 yrs, I currently practice 1 hr in the morning, 2 hrs each evening, and play at least 3 tournament a week.

I am not looking to evaluate my overall game, I am looking to evaluate how I am improving on the individual components of my game...

I want to keep statistics on things like what percentage of banks do I make, what % of long straight shots do I make, when I fail to run the table is it because of a missed shot or poor leave? Things like these so that I know where to focus my practice.

Thanks for all the input.
Hey Mark, I know where you're coming from and I would suggest 2 things for a player of your caliber.#1 invest in a video camera and film some matches against tough competition. I don't get out much so I don't know how I'm playing either so if I do call someone to play I schedule it & I make sure to get about 4hrs of it on tape to watch later and it gives me a lot of feedback. (last friendly session I was suppose to film & play was 10 ball 2 out of 3 sets to 7 for $100. Turned out to be a 28hr session!).

The other thing I would like to see you try is my aiming workout. You don't have to change the way you aim but the workout calls for you to sink 185 challenging shots while recording your misses along the way. The shots in there are what I call some of our more shootable but missed shots in games like 9b or 10b and the obvious idea is for you to reduce your misses each time you do the workout while getting to know yourself or your game a little better. pm you address if your interested and I'll get one out to you.
 
player rating, evaluation, and tracking tools

FYI, I have descriptions of and links to several good resources for evaluating and tracking improvement of one's play here:

Happy rating and improving,
Dave

mgregory said:
After 35 yrs. of off and on playing I am trying to move my game up to the next level and I would like a systematic method to evaluate my game as I progress.

Is there a system to score a game so that data can be accumulated for evaluation? What I am looking for is something similar to base ball game record keeping where hits, runs, errors, batting average and so on is kept.

Thanks in advance
 
Wyoming Will said:
Yeah, there's this great system called gambling. You go to the bank before you get your cue out. When you put your cue away, if you have to go to the bank again, you have work to do. If you don't have to go to the bank again all week, you're getting better.

That's what I do. I call it the bankroll method.

Bankroll is fat = you are good

Bankroll is getting fatter = you are improving

Bankroll getting thinner = you need to improve

Bankroll disappears entirely = you need to improve and go to the bank.
 
mgregory said:
After 35 yrs. of off and on playing I am trying to move my game up to the next level and I would like a systematic method to evaluate my game as I progress.

Is there a system to score a game so that data can be accumulated for evaluation? What I am looking for is something similar to base ball game record keeping where hits, runs, errors, batting average and so on is kept.

Thanks in advance

For measuring your shotmaking try equal offense. Rack the balls, break, take ball in hand behind the headstring and spot any balls made on the break. You can't shoot a ball in the kitchen on the first shot. Run balls until you miss or get all but one ball off the table. At that point it becomes 14.1 and the maximum score for an inning is 20. An inning ends when you miss a ball or reach 20. Ten innings is one set. It is similar to straight pool but I like it better because the balls are more spread out and you have more of a variety of shots than in 14.1.
 
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