Gang banged

[cuedaddy]

Im over it

 

[shinobi]

So what? That means you should be singing his praises every chance you get in the appropriate threads. It doesn't mean he is entitled to his own personal sticky.

Why are you telling Wilson how he can and cannot recommend Marcus? In your view he cannot create a sticky, but he "should" be able to sing his praises in "appropriate" threads?

Make an escrow sticky thread that links to anyone who wants to be listed and let people choose for themselves. Peoples work and reputations, and the resulting testimonials, will speak for themselves.

Good suggestion, though the way you wrote it was not a "suggestion".

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

In all fairness F@k you too buddy. Im over this crap until you start blasting me again. Let the customer question my service, not you.. you have NO experience with me.

THANKS FOR THE REPLY...... I APPRECIATE IT.

P.S. I DIDNT SICK ANYBODY ON YOU.

 

[ccn7]

I LOVE MY CAPS LOCK......

NOT YELLING, I'M JUST BLIND.....

i LOVE YOUR CAPS:thumbup: I'M ALSO BLIND, I'M ALSO HARD OF HEARING SO THE YELLING WAS OK ALSO.:grin-square:

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Cuebux, without knowing a single thing about you I can assure you that you are getting off on entirly the wrong for here and are now running afoul of my rules that are posted for everyone.

It doesn't appear that you are doing anything to help the situation here, especially when you've decided to become combative.

My strong advise to you is to re-evaluate your motivation here and make a complete change of tact.



P.S. if you are wondering if it is out of some kind of friendship that I share with Marcus, ask him about butting heads with me. He has experience there too.
While that isn't the real issue here, you may find that it is easier for you to conduct business if you don't wind up getting yourself in trouble.

 

[bogey54311]

Cuebux, without knowing a single thing about you I can assure you that you are getting off on entirly the wrong for here and are now running afoul of my rules that are posted for everyone.

It doesn't appear that you are doing anything to help the situation here, especially when you've decided to become combative.

My strong advise to you is to re-evaluate your motivation here and make a complete change of tact.



P.S. if you are wondering if it is out of some kind of friendship that I share with Marcus, ask him about butting heads with me. He has experience there too.
While that isn't the real issue here, you may find that it is easier for you to conduct business if you don't wind up getting yourself in trouble.

tap, tap.
wow, his colors showed REAL fast, huh?


chris G<-----------bux colors showed REAL fast, huh?

 

[Poolplaya9]

Why are you telling Wilson how he can and cannot recommend Marcus? In your view he cannot create a sticky, but he "should" be able to sing his praises in "appropriate" threads?

I'm telling him how he can and can't recommend Marcus about as much as you are. We are both just expressing a viewpoint, and I never said can and can't, I said should and shouldn't. I don't see any problem with him sharing his opinion that Marcus is a good guy and knows his stuff, do you? Giving exclusive advertising for free is a whole different story though.

"Appropriate" just referred to the obvious accepted posting norms like being on topic and not hijacking threads etc. Had I not said that, then somebody else that also wanted to play semantics would have said, oh so then you are ok with him singing praises anywhere, even if it's off topic or hijacking a thread? It doesn't look like it prevented it anyway though.

Good suggestion, though the way you wrote it was not a "suggestion".

In the context of my post it was clearly a suggestion and a viewpoint. I am glad you thought it was a good one though. If you have any more semantics to argue perhaps you could just PM me so we don't take up any more unnecessary space over it? :grin:

 

[shinobi]

Giving exclusive advertising for free is a whole different story though.

If AZ wants to give free advertising to someone, why can't they?

 

[Poolplaya9]

If AZ wants to give free advertising to someone, why can't they?

We've already covered this. They can--it's not against federal law. But they shouldn't--it's not the right thing to do because it gives an unfair advantage over the other's that provide a similar service (although one of them looks to have started shooting his own self in the foot). Like it or not, it also creates an affiliation and association that AzB has already said they don't want. I'll include the circular arguments in with the semantics. If you want to ask questions that have already been answered then take it to PM. No point in taking up space continuing to go in circles on here.

 

[poolpro]

I normally find myself agreeing with you poolpro, but on this I have to disagree. Yes, we have been on the same side often

I commend them for doing something, but just because you are doing something doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing, or that you are going about it the right way. And since you mentioned it, it doesn't even really address the issue that everybody was so bent out of shape over to begin with, which was that the scammers were allowed to stay on AzB. Nothing has changed there. It may not get rid of all of them, but it offers a way of minimizing the ptential damage

The point would be to make the members aware that a type of sevice that can protect them exists, provide them with some available options, and let them choose who to use. Using your logic, AzB should also give sticky's to the members that it feels are the best cue sellers, because that would also help to protect it's members. Also for the best case sellers. And for the best accessory sellers. And for the best cue repair persons. I agree, that logically you are correct, but in reality, it just isn't as practiacal. ALSO, THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE VALUE OF THOSE OFFERS IS THE ITEM ITSELF. IN THIS EXAMPLE, THE VALUE IS THE REPUTATION OF THE PERSON PROVIDING THE SERVICE!!! THIS IS A HUGE STICKING POINT!

If they are not making money from it and have no responsibility for it, then they shouldn't be providing their exclusive recommendation, and exclusive free advertising. And think about this, what is going to happen the first time somebody is unhappy with the service they received from the AzB recommended service? It's going to come back at AzB, that's what, and rightly so to an extent if you think about it.You are wrong if you think that this escrow service is "exclusive" when it comes to free advertising on here. It has been stated VERY LOUDLY that it is not an AZB service, if someone chooses to ignore it, its on them. If you ignore and blast through a stop sign, you get what you get.

Some members are not aware that these services exist at all, and some of the ones that know they exist don't have a clue who is available to provide them. What would be wrong with having a sticky that links to the members that provide these services, and let people choose for themselves? That still helps the members by providing information they can use to protect themselves, but it removes the unfair advantage or favoritism given to a particular service. LIke I said, this service is USELESS without the rep to go with it

Exactly. With a sticky that links to the escrow providers that want to be listed, people will be able to choose for themselves who they feel offers the best expertise, experience, and reputation, or they could still choose not to use anyone at all. AzB is completely off the hook because if a person is not satisfied with the escrow service for whatever reason, they made the decision for themselves, and no blame could go towards AzB like it can when they are officially recommending and pushing a particular service.I agree, though I feel they are "unofficially recomending it

Then why not just have a sticky that just links to the providers, and just let the people choose for themselves? It provides all the benefits, without the drawbacks. The threads from the long time reputable members that are offering escrow services are going to be filled with people vouching for them anyway, so there isn't a need for the website to make an official recommendation or to give exclusive free advertising to only one person. A newer member's escrow thread wouldn't even have anything in it until they start to prove themselves.

Something else to consider... AzB's main reason for not wanting to get involved in the bad deals on here (thefts, scams, frauds, etc) is because they don't feel it's their place to make judgements about the business practices. If they don't feel it's their place there (even when it's often clear cut and obvious), then how on earth do they feel like it's their place to turn around and make the very same type judgements by recommending someone as the best provider of a particular service (and giving exclusive perks), or by making judgements that the service offered by one person is better than the service offered by another person?

I actually do not feel that there have been any cases of being clear cut and obvious when it comes to getting involved with sales transactions. My complaint was with the selective enforcing of rules for bad posters. Not for lack of action in he said/she said type of matters.



Yes AZB made a "judgement call". In this example I agree 100%. I have disagreed in the past, and may well again in the future, but this one is right on as far as I am concerned.


And by the post that was later edited by cuebux, I would say that we know have evidence that he has not settled in around here. He sure does not seem to have a complete understanding of how to conduct himself on here yet. My first impression of HIM was that he made a post in bad taste, but I reconsidered and gave him the benefit of the doubt. Now I am not sure he deserves it.


Think for one minute what the escrow service REALLY IS. The reason for it is so that if you are unsure of sombody's rep you can complete a deal to mutual satisfaction with more confidence( especially with unknown or lessor known members) If you are not so sure about the seller or buyer, that is one thing. If you are not so sure about the ESCROW provider, WHAT HAVE YOU ACOMPLISHED? You have just added ANOTHER link in the chain of uncertainty. You have done the opposite of what you were attempting.

 

[poolpro]

We've already covered this. They can--it's not against federal law. But they shouldn't--it's not the right thing to do because it gives an unfair advantage over the other's that provide a similar service (although one of them looks to have started shooting his own self in the foot). Like it or not, it also creates an affiliation and association that AzB has already said they don't want. I'll include the circular arguments in with the semantics. If you want to ask questions that have already been answered then take it to PM. No point in taking up space continuing to go in circles on here.

In his case the serice IS the rep. The rep has been earned. It is not an unfair advantage if it was earned by doing the right thing and developing good relations on here.


I don't think anybody ( including Mr wilson) is denying that it was a judgement call, and yes some preferential treatment was given. I don't think that is the debate.

The debate is was it a good thing or a bad thing. I vote that it was a very practical and great thing. The upside far outweighs any downside, in my opinion.

You feel differently. We diagree on this one.

 

[rackem]

Join date Aug 08?

:sorry: Has anybody read Cuebux's profile?
21 years old, works at McDonalds Has been in the Billiard business a whole 4 years. He has a web site.
He also has a 2 year old son to care for.
In all honesty it sounds like there is already a lot on his plate.
Escrow service @$20 is work with no profit just the reward of helping keep this place safe.