Gareth Potts marking table

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I was watching a Chinese 8 ball match with Gareth Potts and at about 29:00 he marks the table while "looking" at his intended next position.

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I checked the rules and in 11f it states its "Against the spirit of sports behavior" and thus a foul, yet it appears no one noticed..

I wonder how many of these infractions occur and how many actually get punished?

I hate seeing this as its not necessary, and it makes you wonder about other things that may or may not happen if you turned a blind eye...
 
Wybrook said:
I was watching a Chinese 8 ball match with Gareth Potts and at about 29:00 he marks the table while "looking" at his intended next position.

Here

I checked the rules and in 11f it states its "Against the spirit of sports behavior" and thus a foul, yet it appears no one noticed..

I wonder how many of these infractions occur and how many actually get punished?

I hate seeing this as its not necessary, and it makes you wonder about other things that may or may not happen if you turned a blind eye...
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Do you think it was intentional? He could've been looking where he wants the cue ball and laid his cue down and the chalk rubbed off on the cloth...accidentally. I've done it sometimes without realizing and many others. Even if he was marking, it's not like he was marking where he wants to hit the object ball, he was marking where he wants the cue ball to end up, people can mark all they want but that doesn't mean the ball will actually end up there on that spot. Now placing something on a rail or marking your contact point for a kick with a piece of chalk, that I have a problem with and shouldn't be allowed. Being the professional that Potts is, I doubt he purposely marked the table.
 
The reason I am suggesting this is that he lays the cue down, then rubs it back and forth.. Pretty obvious I believe.

You are not allowed to mark the table in any billiard game.

On his next position, he has the ref standing behind him and he holds the cue 8 inches above the table..

I've been around a bit and I'm pretty sure this was not an accident. I don't go around accusing people of cheating, but it caught my eye.

He really didn't miss by much, its just that the angle he had on the shot wouldn't allow him to get to that spot, but on the same line basically..
 
Kris_b1104 said:
Do you think it was intentional? He could've been looking where he wants the cue ball and laid his cue down and the chalk rubbed off on the cloth...accidentally. I've done it sometimes without realizing and many others. Even if he was marking, it's not like he was marking where he wants to hit the object ball, he was marking where he wants the cue ball to end up, people can mark all they want but that doesn't mean the ball will actually end up there on that spot. Now placing something on a rail or marking your contact point for a kick with a piece of chalk, that I have a problem with and shouldn't be allowed. Being the professional that Potts is, I doubt he purposely marked the table.
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I was going to say he didn't do it on purpose, but he rubbed his tip back and forth and back and forth. So, if it wasn't intentional, it sure is an odd sub-conscious habit. You'll see on the next shot how high he held his tip.

Freddie
 
A foul

Wybrook said:
The reason I am suggesting this is that he lays the cue down, then rubs it back and forth.. Pretty obvious I believe.

You are not allowed to mark the table in any billiard game.

On his next position, he has the ref standing behind him and he holds the cue 8 inches above the table..

I've been around a bit and I'm pretty sure this was not an accident. I don't go around accusing people of cheating, but it caught my eye.

He really didn't miss by much, its just that the angle he had on the shot wouldn't allow him to get to that spot, but on the same line basically..
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I didn't see any foul, the Chinese guy was laying the tip of his cue on the table too.

I really don't see anything wrong with trying imagine cue ball position for your next shot.
It was all about cue ball deflection and CB position.

I didn't know there was a rule that at no time can the tip of your cue can touch the table.
I have laid the tip of my cue on the table millions of time never had a foul called on me for that.

I think calling a foul on that would be very thin of any referee and most likely he wouldn't last as a referee if he kept on calling fouls like that.

Normally I would consider someone marking the table for a bank or kick and the mark would be on the rail.

Some nice shooting in this video.
 
Its not a foul to lay or touch your tip on the table, but when you rub it back and forth and leave a huge chalk mark where you want your cue ball to stop, its a foul.

I guess I am the only one to notice this. :)
 
If you look at the table there are chalk marks similar to the one he made at around 30:00. I sometimes measure long cut shots the same way. And most times I leave a mark. It's not a crime to line up shots by resting the tip on the felt. And if that's not a crime how can the result of the mark on the table after measuring be a crime? The mark happened while in the act of a legal form of aiming. Everyone knows there's chalk on the tip and there's a possibility on that chalk leaving a mark.

Johnny Archer does this all the time. And so do countless other pro players. But they might not admit it.

I have also called marking on other players. And I think that's the key.

"It's Not the Crime, it's if you get Caught"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5OE9h2FUeA
 
What's the difference between a huge chalk mark and a tiny chalk mark? I agree on the rubbing back and forth part but I'd prefer a small chalk mark for accuracy.

And another thing is marking where to aim the cue ball to hit an object ball vs marking the table to show where to play shape to are completely different.

Wybrook said:
Its not a foul to lay or touch your tip on the table, but when you rub it back and forth and leave a huge chalk mark where you want your cue ball to stop, its a foul.

I guess I am the only one to notice this. :)
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Wybrook said:
I was watching a Chinese 8 ball match with Gareth Potts and at about 29:00 he marks the table while "looking" at his intended next position.

Here

I checked the rules and in 11f it states its "Against the spirit of sports behavior" and thus a foul, yet it appears no one noticed..

I wonder how many of these infractions occur and how many actually get punished?

I hate seeing this as its not necessary, and it makes you wonder about other things that may or may not happen if you turned a blind eye...
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I do that at times when thinking, not to mark the table. A bit like chalking your cue for longer than really needed while looking over the table. Now if you do it and you leave a mark, and you do it a few times, a ref or the other player can have a word with you and say "hey, you are marking a spot on the table, don't do that any more or you will have a foul called". In league there was one guy that did this almost every time but behind the ball he was shooting at, he'd rub the cue around the area where the ghost ball center would be to make the shot. Don't know if that was habit or just his way of marking the table with chalk to have an aiming spot, but that would be a foul for sure. And if you slide the tip back and forth it's a bit tough to leave a single mark you'll end up with a line.

And just because you have a dot on the table where you want the cueball to go and not a spot you are aiming the ball, that does not really help you. I can put a dot 3 feet from the object ball, but I'd still have to know how to get the ball there. Still not legal, but does not do you that much good.
 
We just said the same thing but I said it a little better in post 8....:smile:

Marking a spot for position doesn't mean squat in reality..

hang-the-9 said:
I do that at times when thinking, not to mark the table. A bit like chalking your cue for longer than really needed while looking over the table. Now if you do it and you leave a mark, and you do it a few times, a ref or the other player can have a word with you and say "hey, you are marking a spot on the table, don't do that any more or you will have a foul called". In league there was one guy that did this almost every time but behind the ball he was shooting at, he'd rub the cue around the area where the ghost ball center would be to make the shot. Don't know if that was habit or just his way of marking the table with chalk to have an aiming spot, but that would be a foul for sure. And if you slide the tip back and forth it's a bit tough to leave a single mark you'll end up with a line.

And just because you have a dot on the table where you want the cueball to go and not a spot you are aiming the ball, that does not really help you. I can put a dot 3 feet from the object ball, but I'd still have to know how to get the ball there. Still not legal, but does not do you that much good.
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The only way you are ever going to get pulled up is by making a chalk mark that aids aiming, or a positional route as I the line of travel. Since Gareth doesn't need any of these to aid him and it may have just been where he wanted to land the ball the ref let it go. Making a chalk mark where you want the CB to land isn't of any help to anyone, you still have to do the hard work and land it there. Things like marking the rail with a chalk mark to help a kick shot or leaving chalk on the rail where you want to kick at are far worse.

I actually believe he was simply trying to judge the line he wanted and didn't mark it actually on the line incase he got fouled for it. So he judged the line with his cue, and chalk went on the table. He's a cheat! Chat crap about him immediately!!
 
Wybrook said:
I was watching a Chinese 8 ball match with Gareth Potts and at about 29:00 he marks the table while "looking" at his intended next position.

Here

I checked the rules and in 11f it states its "Against the spirit of sports behavior" and thus a foul, yet it appears no one noticed..

I wonder how many of these infractions occur and how many actually get punished?

I hate seeing this as its not necessary, and it makes you wonder about other things that may or may not happen if you turned a blind eye...
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When I clicked on the link it took me to the start of the match. At what point did this occur?
 
IMO, the back and forth to create a mark looks intentional.

Marks for shape can really aide a player. The mark can be used so a player knows he has to be at least this 'high' or 'low' on the ball, or 'on this line'.

Also for myself, I find this shot a little harder to judge perfect shape when position is on the other side of the table. A visual would definately help.

I have and I'm sure many of you have said to yourself "I have to be at least 2 diamond's up, any less and it doesn't go". I believe players games would jump up levels by being able to mark every positional route or spot. I would rather a spot for position than a spot of aim.
 
Theres a good ten to fifteen different marks on that table. If he is marking it touche to him. Very hard to notice. Some may be intentional some may not. He still has to clear the table wether he marks it or not.
 
"Marking the table" is about giving yourself an aiming point. One that you can see when you're lining up on the shot and gives you a distinct advantage.

Marking, intentionally or not, where the object ball may end up is not "Marking the table". It gives no advantage.


At least that's how I understand it.


Royce
 
Wybrook said:
Its not a foul to lay or touch your tip on the table, but when you rub it back and forth and leave a huge chalk mark where you want your cue ball to stop, its a foul.

I guess I am the only one to notice this. :)
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Can you leave a small mark? :D

JoeyA
 
Hungarian said:
What's the difference between a huge chalk mark and a tiny chalk mark? I agree on the rubbing back and forth part but I'd prefer a small chalk mark for accuracy.

And another thing is marking where to aim the cue ball to hit an object ball vs marking the table to show where to play shape to are completely different.
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You beat me to it. I posted before reading your comment. My bad.
JoeyA
 
kanecalgary said:
IMO, the back and forth to create a mark looks intentional.

Marks for shape can really aide a player. The mark can be used so a player knows he has to be at least this 'high' or 'low' on the ball, or 'on this line'.

Also for myself, I find this shot a little harder to judge perfect shape when position is on the other side of the table. A visual would definately help.

I have and I'm sure many of you have said to yourself "I have to be at least 2 diamond's up, any less and it doesn't go". I believe players games would jump up levels by being able to mark every positional route or spot. I would rather a spot for position than a spot of aim.
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If marking the cloth for shape aids a player, maybe the table lights should have a grid shining down on the table. :grin:
JoeyA
 
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Originally Posted by Wybrook View Post

I was watching a Chinese 8 ball match with Gareth Potts and at about 29:00 he marks the table while "looking" at his intended next position.

Here

I checked the rules and in 11f it states its "Against the spirit of sports behavior" and thus a foul, yet it appears no one noticed..

I wonder how many of these infractions occur and how many actually get punished?

I hate seeing this as its not necessary, and it makes you wonder about other things that may or may not happen if you turned a blind eye...


alstl said:
When I clicked on the link it took me to the start of the match. At what point did this occur?
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