Gerda likes VEPS!!!

I just got the following PM, and I wanted to share the answer, since people might have similar questions. I guess "Video Encyclopedia of Pool Shots" might not have been the best name.

PM message said:
I noticed a lot of positive thoughts lately regarding your VEPS DVDs and I began wondering why I didn't purchase them yet - and I remember why: it's because I thought it contains a big collection of different shots, but my usual problem is that I know what shots to chose and what I want to accomplish with that shot, but I have problems executing them the way I intended...the usual fault is usually alignment (I suspect).
Do your DVDs contain something regarding alignment, aiming, eye patterns and things like this?
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VEPS is not just a "collection of shots." It does cover aiming, shot selection, and strategy. It does not cover basic fundamentals like bridge, stance, stroke, eye patterns, etc. (although, I do have lots of resources on my resource website covering these topics).

The best way to judge VEPS is to watch all of the demo clips we have on the VEPS website. If you click on the disc links, you can view video excerpts from each DVD. We also have a complete list of everything covered on all 5 DVDs here.

Regards,
Dave
 
And you didn't ask her about Pro1? :-)

I have not purchased VEPS yet but as I have said before I think that what you have put out before that was awesome. One can spend a long time absorbing just what you give away for free on your site and YouTube and come away a better player.

Now, if you and Stan and Dave can get together then between you a new energy source might be discovered or at least the mystery of why CTE works on the physical level if nothing else can be uncovered through the miracle of high speed video.

Anyway I hate to say I agree with Eric about anything but in this instance I fully agree.

I think at some point you should be in the Hall of Fame for your work so far.
 
JB Cases said:
I have not purchased VEPS yet
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Why not? :eek: :angry: :confused:

JB Cases said:
but as I have said before I think that what you have put out before that was awesome. One can spend a long time absorbing just what you give away for free on your site and YouTube and come away a better player.
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Thank you.

JB Cases said:
Now, if you and Stan and Dave can get together then between you a new energy source might be discovered or at least the mystery of why CTE works on the physical level if nothing else can be uncovered through the miracle of high speed video.
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I think my CTE resource page (with the links to Spidey's blog) already explains how CTE works. Although, I am looking forward to carefully reviewing Stan's DVD and Spidey's document, to see if there are any new insights. I've talked to Stan and Dave on the phone, and I do look forward to meeting them in person in the future. I'm sure we would enjoy and benefit from each other's company.

JB Cases said:
I think at some point you should be in the Hall of Fame for your work so far.
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Thank you John. That means a lot to me coming from you, especially given some of our past "interactions" on AZB.

Regards,
Dave
 
I just watched the seven minute video hi-lite reel and am completely blown away by it! Put me on the list of people who are loving what they are seeing! First of all you (Dave and Tom) both have good clear voices and explain things in a manner that is easy to understand. That is so important. The quality of the video is excellent, with good lighting and near perfect camera angles! Tom's (I'm pretty sure about this) execution of the shots is right on, and I don't really care how many tries it took him to make any of them. What is important is that we see a well executed shot!

Now for the best part. Even in fast motion (the hi-lite tape) I saw so many valuable shots that all pool players should practice and incorporate into their game. I love the way the shots are demonstrated to make it as simple as possible for players to understand how to execute them. I like that these DVD's do not tell players how to stand or hold their cues or stroke the balls or any of that other stuff. Dave and Tom do something very important here. They acknowledge the fact that most players already have a decent stance, grip, stroke etc. They get down to basics! Here's the shot - here's how you hit it - and here's the result!

Now for what I absolutely loved, even though it may take away from my next book. Some of their advanced/trick shots are among the "secret" shots I had planned to diagram in my next book. Many of these shots are ones that even good players don't know! I saw shots on here that the players who know them often don't want to share with anyone else. High level stuff here, never before so graphically illustrated. My hat is off to both Dave and Tom. You really went through the ceiling with this series. You guys cover a lot of bases here and provide a lifetime of valuable information on five DVD's. I don't want to tell you how long it took me to learn a lot of these shots. Where were you guys when I needed you? :grin-square:

Good job gentlemen!

P.S. You know it's almost unfair that now any decent pool player can learn in a days what it took me many years to learn. Like I said there is a lifetime of knowledge on these five DVD's.
 
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Nice effort!

dr_dave said:
I just got the following PM, and I wanted to share the answer, since people might have similar questions. I guess "Video Encyclopedia of Pool Shots" might not have been the best name.


VEPS is not just a "collection of shots." It does cover aiming, shot selection, and strategy. It does not cover basic fundamentals like bridge, stance, stroke, eye patterns, etc. (although, I do have lots of resources on my resource website covering these topics).

The best way to judge VEPS is to watch all of the demo clips we have on the VEPS website. If you click on the disc links, you can view video excerpts from each DVD. We also have a complete list of everything covered on all 5 DVDs here.

Regards,
Dave
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Followed your link and watched a few of your clips, I really enjoyed the production quality and the teaching. At any point in this series do you "comprehensively" cover all the basic shot position patterns for the 2 most played games, 8-ball and 9-ball? I'm asking this because in 9-ball there are a series of shots that come up constantly for position play, same with 8-ball. Seems like those 2 games are about all most folks ever really learn to play. It would be nice for regular people to get those basic shot patterns put into their heads with video. So someone describing those patterns for them, as you've done with video backup, would give them a basic tool kit for playing good positional pool? My experience has taught me that this is an area teaching methods have yet to fully explore, relating knowledge directly to the existing games through the use of video. Thanks for putting so much knowledge out there at such an affordable price! I hope the pool playing public supports your efforts!!!:wink:
By the way, I suggested this to Accu-Stats when I first started working for them 7-years ago, take real game situations from video clips and layout a series of shots to give an over-all view of why you play position that way. The bad news is, as you must know, the time and money commitment for production and post production is overwhelming. I wish you all the success in the world with this type of teaching.
 
Congrats on the recognition from Gerda Dr Dave! Of course the board has known how good VEPS was all along. But to have someone on the circuit recommending you to others is just fantastic =)

Dont raise your prices just because you are going to break out as an Instructional Diva now ;) I'll never get the wife to get them for me for Xmas then. Of course, she hasnt for the last 2 years and they were the only thing I had on my list (except Belgium Balls for the table...havent gotten them either.) :grin-square:

~Roy
 
Jay,

Thank you so much for your extremely positive and flattering comments.

Tom and I appreciate it.

Regards,
Dave

jay helfert said:
I just watched the seven minute video hi-lite reel and am completely blown away by it! Put me on the list of people who are loving what they are seeing! First of all you (Dave and Tom) both have good clear voices and explain things in a manner that is easy to understand. That is so important. The quality of the video is excellent, with good lighting and near perfect camera angles! Tom's (I'm pretty sure about this) execution of the shots is right on, and I don't really care how many tries it took him to make any of them. What is important is that we see a well executed shot!

Now for the best part. Even in fast motion (the hi-lite tape) I saw so many valuable shots that all pool players should practice and incorporate into their game. I love the way the shots are demonstrated to make it as simple as possible for players to understand how to execute them. I like that these DVD's do not tell players how to stand or hold their cues or stroke the balls or any of that other stuff. Dave and Tom do something very important here. They acknowledge the fact that most players already have a decent stance, grip, stroke etc. They get down to basics! Here's the shot - here's how you hit it - and here's the result!

Now for what I absolutely loved, even though it may take away from my next book. Some of their advanced/trick shots are among the "secret" shots I had planned to diagram in my next book. Many of these shots are ones that even good players don't know! I saw shots on here that the players who know them often don't want to share with anyone else. High level stuff here, never before so graphically illustrated. My hat is off to both Dave and Tom. You really went through the ceiling with this series. You guys cover a lot of bases here and provide a lifetime of valuable information on five DVD's. I don't want to tell you how long it took me to learn a lot of these shots. Where were you guys when I needed you? :grin-square:

Good job gentlemen!

P.S. You know it's almost unfair that now any decent pool player can learn in a days what it took me many years to learn. Like I said there is a lifetime of knowledge on these five DVD's.
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Thanks for the comments.

I think Disc III and Section 47 on Disc V do a descent job of covering what you describe. Have you watched the Disc III clips?

FYI, here's the list of everything covered.

Regards,
Dave

Zbotiman said:
Followed your link and watched a few of your clips, I really enjoyed the production quality and the teaching. At any point in this series do you "comprehensively" cover all the basic shot position patterns for the 2 most played games, 8-ball and 9-ball? I'm asking this because in 9-ball there are a series of shots that come up constantly for position play, same with 8-ball. Seems like those 2 games are about all most folks ever really learn to play. It would be nice for regular people to get those basic shot patterns put into their heads with video. So someone describing those patterns for them, as you've done with video backup, would give them a basic tool kit for playing good positional pool? My experience has taught me that this is an area teaching methods have yet to fully explore, relating knowledge directly to the existing games through the use of video. Thanks for putting so much knowledge out there at such an affordable price! I hope the pool playing public supports your efforts!!!:wink:
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Roy Vadas said:
Congrats on the recognition from Gerda Dr Dave! Of course the board has known how good VEPS was all along. But to have someone on the circuit recommending you to others is just fantastic =)

Dont raise your prices just because you are going to break out as an Instructional Diva now ;) I'll never get the wife to get them for me for Xmas then. Of course, she hasnt for the last 2 years and they were the only thing I had on my list (except Belgium Balls for the table...havent gotten them either.) :grin-square:
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Thanks. We didn't think about raising the prices, but that's a good idea. :idea2:
... just kidding.

I hope your Christmas dreams finally come true. :grin-square:

Regards,
Dave
 
Neil said:
Unless you have pattern racking, and a controlled break, it can't be done. There are just too many possibilities that can come up. A number of books give the general patterns that you look for. Basically, you are playing 3 balls ahead- how do I get on this ball, to make the next one, and get on the next one after that? Depending on how the balls lie, you might have to use inside english to change an angle rather than use the natural angles. Patterns are mainly about using the natural angles for position.
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.... I was referring to the way you cross the table from angle, go up and down, and go around the table. How to set up the angles that best provide strong routes for these types of shot possibilities. The pattern "type of play" that works best for these 2 games is something accomplished players take for granted, but if you think about it, in both games "position play" comes down to a handful of basic shot patterns.
Controlling the rack for ball layout position after breaking is not what I was referring to. I do think in the next few months you'll be seeing a lot more discussion about that too, here on AZ. Seems like that's the "subject of the moment" in pro pool right now!
 
dr_dave said:
Thanks for the comments.

I think Disc III and Section 47 on Disc V do a descent job of covering what you describe. Have you watched the Disc III clips?

FYI, here's the list of everything covered.

Regards,
Dave
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Very nice, I just watched the except from Disc 3 on key balls. That is exactly what I think is a great way to teach "proper" position play for 8-ball. Sure hope pool enthusiasts find this library, "it would certainly be a great benefit to up and comers!"
 
Your explanation of the plus system has helped my game. I agree with Gerda.
 
Zbotiman said:
Very nice, I just watched the except from Disc 3 on key balls. That is exactly what I think is a great way to teach "proper" position play for 8-ball.
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Thanks. FYI, Disc III contains many more topics and examples related to strategy and safety play for both 8-ball and 9-ball.

Regards,
Dave
 
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