Get upset if you want, I will never do it!

Did you just call me stupid? We must know each other, ha ha.

Anyways, I don't mind shooting each and every ball and can only think that someone getting mad is someone that feels entitled or unsure of their abilities. To me the game isn't over till the ball is sunk and that's the discipline I follow, but on the other hand I don't mind conceding balls if they are what seems to be a 95%+ shot.
 
So, that's why a strong local player that gives me the 7 and last 2 hardly ever makes me shoot the case ball as long as it's in decent shape? LOL!
I knew he was a better gambler than me :o .

Probably a good move, I play like 2 balls better if I ever hit that gear, he's trying to keep me out of stroke!

ElKabong


JCIN said:
I have seen the concession used as a shark move by either trying to get a guy out of rythm or by conceding some easy to moderate shots over and over and then when one comes up in a crucial situation making the guy shoot it. Sometimes this causes the guy shooting to take the heat because he is thinking "He has been giving me these all night now he wants to make me shoot it because it is a crucial situation" thus inducing the dreaded Self Shark.

Personally in a tournament or action game I make the guy shoot everything. If I am backing a player and I have a say, he makes the guy shoot everything. I am a firm believer that Murphy is alive and well and will get in your ass at the most inopportune times. Why make it easy on them?
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One of our local "tours" has a rule regarding conceding the 9-ball. If you concede the 9, you lose that rack and the next. Real games should be like real golf tournaments. You never see Tiger telling Phil "it's good" or "pick it up". I concede balls during practice sets with my league teammates just to save time. In any action sets or tournaments, I believe you don't get out of the chair unless it's your turn, or the money ball is down. To me, if the other player gets out of his seat and walks towards the table, that's concession. I won't even shoot the ball. He/she has no reason to be at the table, unless they're getting ready to rack.
 
I have no issues conceding the case ball. I'd rather that my opponent has no chance at dogging an easy shot. I've never used it as a shark move, considering that it's the case ball. To me, it's not a big deal, and it doesn't say anything about my "willingness to win."

Fred
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
One of our local "tours" has a rule regarding conceding the 9-ball. If you concede the 9, you lose that rack and the next. Real games should be like real golf tournaments. You never see Tiger telling Phil "it's good" or "pick it up". I concede balls during practice sets with my league teammates just to save time. In any action sets or tournaments, I believe you don't get out of the chair unless it's your turn, or the money ball is down. To me, if the other player gets out of his seat and walks towards the table, that's concession. I won't even shoot the ball. He/she has no reason to be at the table, unless they're getting ready to rack.
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This is exactly how i play, if you motion towards the table during my inning, you just concede the game .
 
3andstop said:
The pacman stroke happens when a meanie is coming for you. You realize an a$$hole has just made a move on you, but what he didn't realize is he made you take your pacman stroke out. He just gave you a powerpill, and now you can't miss! His act of sharking has empowered you to shoot your shot center pocket! Works every tim
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well, i could'nt help but laugh at this because i was a pac-man fiend. my high score on ms.pac-man is 450,000:clapping: :woot:
 
JCIN said:
I have seen the concession used as a shark move by either trying to get a guy out of rythm or by conceding some easy to moderate shots over and over and then when one comes up in a crucial situation making the guy shoot it. Sometimes this causes the guy shooting to take the heat because he is thinking "He has been giving me these all night now he wants to make me shoot it because it is a crucial situation" thus inducing the dreaded Self Shark.
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giving up a ball or 2 is a tool if used properly is stronger than begging for a 1 in 1000 chance something is gonna happen is less effictave. head games will win more games than hoping someone will miss, and the respect thing is important, you got to give to get it.
 
hey shawn,

you have an adorable baby boy . children grow up so fast so enjoy it when they are that age .
 
TXsouthpaw said:
depends on whats at stake.

Some people do it just to mess with your rythm. Like taking a long bathroom break when your opponent is in stroke.
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exactly ...I have had people scoop the last three balls , I'm sure the idea being they didn't want me to hit a gear ....( not that I would ever do that ) .....
 
June Hager Walter told me to NEVER concede balls, and I agree with her.

When I practice with others, they try to give me the last two balls or last ball sometimes and I ask to shoot them. Then again, I need the practice. :D

On the women's tour in Texas, we frown on conceding the 9-ball, but there's no "punishment" for doing it. We mostly do it because the WPBA has the rule and for the fans who are watching.

IMO, I feel that miscue-ing on the case ball and missing hangers on the case ball are all part of the game.
 
When I learned to play, I was taught to use this move as JCIN has described it. I did it a lot for several years until I realized I didn't want to be a hustler, con-man, thief.

Now...
I try very hard not to give up any balls. The way I see it, if it's your turn, IT'S YOUR TURN. I have no business interacting with the table in any way until it's my turn to shoot or to rack. I see giving up a game ball as disrepectful to the opponent and to the game itself.

I still do it sometimes when I am frustrated and impatient. I just want to start another game. But as I am racking the balls, I am regretful and ashamed. I should better self control than that.
 
I saw Earl do this to either Monica or Helena, can't remember which now. He was sweeping 3-5 balls at a time. He still lost, though. Probably just frustrated with his own play, but I don't agree with it.
 
It depends on the situation. If the match is close, there are no gimmies...if the match is one sided...a gimmie,in my opinion is basically common ettiquite...
 
This is not about whether a shot is missable, but a matter of sportsmanship and etiquette. If you watch the final of the World Golf Matchplay championship, with $2,000,000 to the winner and $1,000,000 to the loser, short putts are regularly conceded. It is simply part of match play etiquette in golf, and has nothing to do with whether the putt is unmissable. After all, Hale Irwin once missed a one inch putt and lost the British Open by one shot. Still, this kind of etiquette makes golf look good, and makes its competitors look sportsmanlike, which is good for golf's image.

We can only dream of the day when all pool players, when playing in front of the public, feel just as compelled to exhibit superior etiquette and sportsmanship on shots that are nearly never missed. As long as there are those that feel public displays of etiquette and sportsmanhip that affect pool's image are not important enough to make standard, our sport will remain the sport of cut-throat gamblers, and not a sport of gentlemen.
 
Pushout said:
I saw Earl do this to either Monica or Helena, can't remember which now. He was sweeping 3-5 balls at a time. He still lost, though. Probably just frustrated with his own play, but I don't agree with it.
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Earl is just a jackass, plain and simple! I'm sorry, but over the years i have lost all respect for that guy . It's a damn shame because it's only natural to root for someone that is as passionate about the game as he is, but it's too bad that Earl does not have the class that God gave a maggot!

He is Jack Hynes minus the crack addiction . I'll put it this way, anytime earl is in a match, I will always pull for the other guy, 100% of the time . I don't care if earl is playing "hacksaw" Jim Duggan, I'm going for ole Hacksaw . Hoooooooooooooooo!!!! ( U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. )
 
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I've come to abide by the rule of not conceding an opponent's shot and not expecting any shot be given to me.
 
Us Open

At The Us 9-ball Open Don't They Play If You Give That Game You Also Lose The Next One ?
 
Cannonball55 said:
Hi again,

There is one thing that's common place in pool games, whether it's in tournament play, casual/recreational matches or in money games ( of any amount ) everyone does it, it's so common that's it's understood without saying a word .

got an idea what it is ?

I'll give you a scenario : player A is running balls ( apply this to any game ) and he seemingly has the game in his reach as his cue ball falls in position for his case/money/winner ball, and then the inevitable happens, player b walks up to the table ( while the cue ball is still rolling ) and proceeds to rack the balls .

That's right sports fans, I don't ever rake the balls/conceit games . No matter how easy the out may appear or how straight in the other guy gets on the 9 ball, he has to shoot it!

As long as I've played this game i've seen too many hangers dogged, too many miscues, too many displays of weakness, too many strange things happen to rake the balls for the other guy . Hell, i've seen champions miss with ball in hand; which leads me to reflect upon all those times ive been in money matches with guys and during the course of his run out, I would conceit that straight in 8 ball . Only to be puzzled a few games later when this same guy ( who displayed that he can play ) gets ball in hand and he does'nt get out with only 4 balls on the table . Thoughts would creep in mind like "damn, i should'nt have conceited that 8 ball/7ball/etc"

The fact of the matter is this . Some players have problems with the case ball. they have a level of anxiety that they don't feel in any other time during the run and sometimes ( because we are all human ) the case ball is struck differently then the ones before. Translation : players choke . We all do or have done at one time or another, so why not allow yourself to be the beneficiary of your opponents choke . Ya never know

I remember hearing Nick Varner talk about that . He said that the main reason why players dog the case ball is because it's not shot with the same rhythm and intentions as all of the other balls . theres that " oh my god, i'm on the 9ball factor" that comes into play . - Now, what Varner meant when he touched on intentions is actually specifically dealing with the cueball . when we play pool, our intentions for the cueball is to have a desired path of travel after contact with the object ball ( for shape/position ) this develops a natural rhythm, so when there is the last and final ball to shoot, what are the intentions for the cueball? The difference between dogging the case ball and splittin the wiket on the 9ball is found in that very element of retaining an intention for the cue ball .This way, your rhythm is never broken and your delivery and execution is done normaly ( as with any other shot )

I know i'm rambling on right now, but I just wanted to thoroughly explain why I will never rake the balls ( I don't care if i'm playing efren ) after all, we're all human and ya never know what the other guy's anxiety level is and if he understands what i said above on rhythm and cueball intentions .

Take care & good shooting!
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Years ago I played a guy some nine ball whereby he broke and ran the first rack. After he sunk the nine I said "Good shooting" to which he replied "F___ You!"

I asked him what the hell his problem was and he said, "I can't believe you would make me shoot that #$@! easy-a$$ed nine-ball!"

This same guy got upset with me in a previous match because I conceded the nine during another one of his runs. He complained that I "wasn't letting him shoot the #$@! balls!"

May be off topic but I get the OP's point. While some concede as a sign of respect, or acknowledgement that their opponent is shooting very well, there IS that chance whereby ANYTHING could happen.

I once won a hill-hill match because my opp dogged an easy 9, which put me in the hot seat in a weekend tourney. I could have conceded, but I'm glad I didn't.

IMO, the benefits of not conceding outweigh the respect your opp may feel if you give him/her a courtesy game. And we've all seen and heard people say "You gonna make me shoot that?!?"

Some people get genuinely offended, while others may be joking.

No point here really, just that there are two sides.
 
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