glue for phenolic tip
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shakes said:
Well if you think that this patent is not any good maybe you should write McDermott who has invested a ton of money into this imperticular patent and see what they have to say.
Does someone have a picture of the kind of tip or ferrule we are talking about that has a patent?
Ron
Ron
mreightball said:
Gulyassy:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=XVR6AAAAEBAJ&dq=7,097,570
Roger Donwen:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5462490
click on the picture at the left, and you'll get a PDF of the patent filed
JBCustomCues said:
Why would I do that when I can just look up the patent and see that it has expired? Seems like people would love to continue saying that they have a patent when they don't to keep people scared. Don't you think?
https://ramps.uspto.gov/eram/patentMaintFees.do
Patent #: 5462490
Application#: 08349326
Click on bibliographic information button.
Expired on 10/31/07 for non payment of maintenance fees.
shakes said:
I don't know anything about patents, but on the Gulyassy one does that mean you "can't" have a one piece ferrule tip combo if it's threaded on, but "can" if it's just on an unthreaded tennon?
I don't care either way. I'm just more curious about how subtle a change you have to make to not be on the wrong side of the law.
i'm with you shakes, i don't know diddly squat about patents
but, i did speak with mike g last week about the one piece tip ferrule
if my perception & understanding of our conversation is incorrect, i'm sure mike g will reply and straighten it out
MY take on it was,
ACCORDING to mike, ANY , threaded or unthreaded, one piece phenolic tip/ferrule combination is his design and under his patent
i asked if gluing any tip onto the phenolic was cool, and he said yes
i also asked about the kangaroo ferrules prathers sells and if they will still be allowed to offer those, he said no to that
he did tell me that he has been extremely busy with the legal stuff and that he would be making a public announcement about it soon
as far as the patent of using a stemmed phenolic tip, that joe baker mentioned,
well.......................
that's like saying gluing a tip on should be patented
or tapering a cue should be patented
or using a 3/8x10 pin should be patented
and so on and so on
JUST MY OPINION
but, i did speak with mike g last week about the one piece tip ferrule
if my perception & understanding of our conversation is incorrect, i'm sure mike g will reply and straighten it out
MY take on it was,
ACCORDING to mike, ANY , threaded or unthreaded, one piece phenolic tip/ferrule combination is his design and under his patent
i asked if gluing any tip onto the phenolic was cool, and he said yes
i also asked about the kangaroo ferrules prathers sells and if they will still be allowed to offer those, he said no to that
he did tell me that he has been extremely busy with the legal stuff and that he would be making a public announcement about it soon
as far as the patent of using a stemmed phenolic tip, that joe baker mentioned,
well.......................
that's like saying gluing a tip on should be patented
or tapering a cue should be patented
or using a 3/8x10 pin should be patented
and so on and so on
JUST MY OPINION
Eddie Prewitt had a jump cue called Eddie's 747. He unveiled it in LA years before Sledgehammer came out.BHQ said:i could be wrong about the "his design" mason
how can you get a patent on something someone else designed??
is that even possible?????
Guess what the tip/ferrule was.
This is such a rediculous discussion about putting a ferrule or tip ferrule combination on a cue stick. That would mean anyone in the country wanting something like this done would either have to buy that guys product or send him your cue. Totally not cool. There isn't enough trade out there to be nit pickin about a stupid ferrule tip issue. Get Real. Some people just want to b"""ch about things just to b"""ch.
Ron
Ron
challenge
If that can be documented, the patent could be
challenged. Of course, we might end up in the same boat, paying Eddie Prewitt instead of Mike Gulyassy.
JoeyInCali said:
If that can be documented, the patent could be
challenged. Of course, we might end up in the same boat, paying Eddie Prewitt instead of Mike Gulyassy.
BHQ said:
I agree. What a bunch of bull. I wonder who will have a patent for using glue to hold tips on?
Being a toolmaker for many years, I was recently surprised when I asked the boss to by some , or get made, some none even spaced fluted reamers.Busbee Cue said:
The company said that they could not make them, as that would be in breach of boeings patent and copy right. Yet I , and many other toolmakers have made them for special situations more than 25 years ago. The patent was issued in 2004. Talk about a shock and surprise.
We used these reamers to make holes that need to have a roundness better than .00012 inch and can not be honed.
The point is, it is sometimes very surprising what some have been able to get patents on.
It is not documented but several people saw it. Including cuemaker Ted Harris.dchristal said:
I think some use heating in combination with a glue when putting on the tip.
Like the BK2 it almost never comes off.
Did you ever hear that a tip came off a X-breaker?
I think that is what it is.
I had a company in Azie make me some breakcues with the white diamond tip, and between the ferrule and the tip i let them use a tippad from Atlas.
The glue was so strong that when testing not the tip came off, but the tippad broke in half
MH
HOB Weert
Like the BK2 it almost never comes off.
Did you ever hear that a tip came off a X-breaker?
I think that is what it is.
I had a company in Azie make me some breakcues with the white diamond tip, and between the ferrule and the tip i let them use a tippad from Atlas.
The glue was so strong that when testing not the tip came off, but the tippad broke in half
MH
HOB Weert