Glue for tips

Just don't use the super glue that turns purple. I haven't had any luck getting it to set.
tim
 
stikapos said:
Just don't use the super glue that turns purple. I haven't had any luck getting it to set.
tim
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SUPER GLUE GEL IS HARD TO GET OFF YOUR FERRULE AND IT'S HARD NOT TO GET IT ON IT. TWEETY TEN MIN. GLUE WAS USED WAY BACK WHEN.WHY FIX SOMETHING WHEN ITS NOT BROKE.?
 
PIRANHA said:
SUPER GLUE GEL IS HARD TO GET OFF YOUR FERRULE AND IT'S HARD NOT TO GET IT ON IT. TWEETY TEN MIN. GLUE WAS USED WAY BACK WHEN.WHY FIX SOMETHING WHEN ITS NOT BROKE.?
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I've had problems with the tips staying on when breaking with tweeten's
 
I do my tips by hand. Super glue sets before I can get the tip centered.

I use Tweeten and let it dry 24 hours.
 
Demetris_gr said:
What is the most common glue for tips and what you think is the best?
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In the 17 yrs I have been repairing and building cues the general consensus is that loc-tite super glue gel works the best for tips and ferrules... we use to use duro quick gel for yrs. but they changed the formula back in the mid 90's and it sucks for use on leather, so loc-tite is the prefered glue.

And if you are applying phenolic tips the best glue to use is a 2-part epoxy resin such as devcon 5-min. 2-part epoxy, I also use that in my cue assembly, it is easy to work with and dries quick enough that it doen't delay your schedule sets in 5-min, dries in 15min. cures in 2hrs but can be worked with in 15min.

I hope this helps you !


- Eddie Wheat
 
Demetris_gr said:
What is the most common glue for tips and what you think is the best?
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Partner the biggest factor when appling a tip is good even pressure. Super Glue Gel works very well. I have read the entire thread, and I agree that it can stain the Ferrule depending upon the material. However this can be avioded by using masking tape on the ferrule before appling the glue or tip, and then wiping off the excess glue before removing the tape. I have been using the clamp pictured below for many years and I have no problems. Remove the excess tip from the ferrule, rough the surface, apply masking tape, apply glue, rough the back of tip, apply tip and center, put shaft in clamp for approximately 1 Min trim tip.

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One of these clamps will cost between $10 & $15 dollars at most Hardware Stores. I keep a number of them around and they can be used for many other things.

Have a great day!!!!!
 
WheatCues said:
In the 17 yrs I have been repairing and building cues the general consensus is that loc-tite super glue gel works the best for tips and ferrules... we use to use duro quick gel for yrs. but they changed the formula back in the mid 90's and it sucks for use on leather, so loc-tite is the prefered glue.

And if you are applying phenolic tips the best glue to use is a 2-part epoxy resin such as devcon 5-min. 2-part epoxy, I also use that in my cue assembly, it is easy to work with and dries quick enough that it doen't delay your schedule sets in 5-min, dries in 15min. cures in 2hrs but can be worked with in 15min.

I hope this helps you !


- Eddie Wheat
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I agree that loc-tite super glue gel seems to be the most popular glue (which is the basis for this thread). Can you tell me why the gel is more popular than the 2-part glue + accelerant? I have only installed a few tips myself, so I am deferring to your experience.

Thanks.

PS: I don't know if it makes a difference regarding the glue, but I install my tips by hand, and I like the fact that I don't have to use a clamp (other than my thumb of course).
 
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Geronimo said:
I agree that loc-tite super glue gel seems to be the most popular glue (which is the basis for this thread). Can you tell me why the gel is more popular than the 2-part glue + accelerant? I have only installed a few tips myself, so I am deferring to your experience.

Thanks.

PS: I don't know if it makes a difference regarding the glue, but I install my tips by hand, and I like the fact that I don't have to use a clamp (other than my thumb of course).
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Yes, the standard super glue is very thin and has no working time so it soaks in too quickly and will leave dry spots, and doesn't handle vibration very well at all.

The gel has a thicker consistancy and a longer working time therefor gives a much better bead of glue between both surfaces to insure lateral contact... which in turn gives you solid consistancy with harmonics and feel !

As far as a 2 part mix goes.... It's severe overkill for the typical leather tip, and can cause a synthetic feel with leather tips as well, which is why I suggest using it only on phenolic based tips.



- Eddie Wheat
 
WheatCues said:
Yes, the standard super glue is very thin and has no working time so it soaks in too quickly and will leave dry spots, and doesn't handle vibration very well at all.

The gel has a thicker consistancy and a longer working time therefor gives a much better bead of glue between both surfaces to insure lateral contact... which in turn gives you solid consistancy with harmonics and feel !

As far as a 2 part mix goes.... It's severe overkill for the typical leather tip, and can cause a synthetic feel with leather tips as well, which is why I suggest using it only on phenolic based tips.



- Eddie Wheat
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How long does the gel take to set? How long until I can start trimming / shaping the tip? Can I apply the tip to the ferrule with my thumb, or do I need to use a tip clamp?

I have some loc-tite super glue gel, so I will probably give it a try next time. Thanks again for your help.

Dave

I just noticed the Manwon wrote that the tip can be trimmed one minute after being clamped-on (using super glue gel). That just leaves the question: Do I have to use a clamp or can I just apply strong, even pressure with my thumb for one minute?
 
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Geronimo said:
How long does the gel take to set? How long until I can start trimming / shaping the tip? Can I apply the tip to the ferrule with my thumb, or do I need to use a tip clamp?

I have some loc-tite super glue gel, so I will probably give it a try next time. Thanks again for your help.

Dave

I just noticed the Manwon wrote that the tip can be trimmed one minute after being clamped-on (using super glue gel). That just leaves the question: Do I have to use a clamp or can I just apply strong, even pressure with my thumb for one minute?
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The clamp applies even pressure, that will give you more even adherence to the ferrule. It will also force out any trapped air bubbles, I would doubt you can achieve the same with your thumb, unless you are superman. But whatever works for you. The clamp I posted will not damage the shaft in anyway, and you can apply all the pressure you need very easy!!!
 
Loctite Super Gel. I clamp with my thumb for about 5-10 minutes (probably overkill). Haven't had any problems at all in around 3 years of doing this.
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Geronimo said:
How long does the gel take to set? How long until I can start trimming / shaping the tip? Can I apply the tip to the ferrule with my thumb, or do I need to use a tip clamp?

I have some loc-tite super glue gel, so I will probably give it a try next time. Thanks again for your help.

Dave

I just noticed the Manwon wrote that the tip can be trimmed one minute after being clamped-on (using super glue gel). That just leaves the question: Do I have to use a clamp or can I just apply strong, even pressure with my thumb for one minute?
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It's preferable to use a lathe when doing cue repairs, even the portable Williard's tipper/trimmer is acceptable methods, I used that long before I bought a lathe back when I first started doing tip repairs before I became a cuesmith... but I recommend that you gently bump up to the tip with the tailstock on a lathe or hold the williard's collet in place for atleast a few seconds just enough to force out any trapped air and be careful not to push out all the glue in the process, then lock it in place until the glue dries...this is the part of cue repairs that you have to develop a sense of touch for...

Yes Manwon is correct however, letting the tip dry for an extra minute or two won't hurt ! I'm in Florida so theres always the humidity factor to take in consideration, so that's why I wait atleast 3min. before trimming tip.

I don't suggest using your thumb it's impossible to apply lateral pressure and it must be pure torture to hold your thumb there for five min or more !

There are several ways to apply a tip... clamps are fine, the end result is that the job is done correctly !


- Eddie Wheat
 
Glue

I use the 'Scotch' super glue liquid from QuickTrip, never had it fail.
It is made by 3M, and now comes in anti-clogging bottle, $2.49.

I just put a Hercules, H2 tip on my cue by hand in the last week.
Just apply pressure after setting for 1 minute, and then trimming and shaping can begin.

Note: You only apply to 1 surface, apply to the underside of the tip in a thin even layer, then after setting, you have to trim the edges.
There will be no glue that gets on your ferrule.

I have also used it to reapply a phenolic tip that popped off with no problems afterward.

Now, if I can stay away from Quicktrips chocolate covered cream filled doughnuts, I will be okay!!! :rolleyes:
 
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