Go something on my mind so here we go...
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What I fun amusing is that in Charlotte all the tournaments used either APA or 8-Ball Express rules (or a combination of them). But of course, APA rules Charlotte and 8-Ball Express is based on their rules. Now that I'm back in Minneapolis, the tournaments all use BCAPL rules. APA is tiny here compared to BCAPL and M8 (which is affiliated with BCAPL).
And, I miss the Green Room! *sigh* Have you shown up to any Friday tournaments there in a while Steve?
Brian
If you're playing in a tournament where a guy shooting scoop jumps can make it through to the finals, and you're winning as much as you say you are, then I think it's in your best interest to throw the dog a bone every once in a while. I can't see players of that caliber wanting to consistently donate to the same guy for too long.
That being said, I can tell you from personal experience that it's never a good idea to provoke someone who has nothing to lose...
Let him say what he wants. Nobody of consequence is really listening to him anyway.
That being said, I can tell you from personal experience that it's never a good idea to provoke someone who has nothing to lose...
Let him say what he wants. Nobody of consequence is really listening to him anyway.
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This an $4.00 will buy you a cup of coffee at most Star Bucks. Please be very careful in that bar you can lose allot more than a pool game there.
You did good. When people go off inventing their own games, no matter how crazy they are, a good player adjusts like you did.
See, banger pool relies on you shooting every shot in some inane attempt to make it. Pool, on the other hand is a game played with rules that apply evenly to both players, so you will have to develop defensive and offensive strategy, not just bang them in!
Make the 8 on the break is a loss is my favorite banger game! I usually soft break that game and let my opponent beat balls around for a few turns until I can run or run to a good safe and then run!
Try soft breaking against bangers! They love it:thumbup:
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See, banger pool relies on you shooting every shot in some inane attempt to make it. Pool, on the other hand is a game played with rules that apply evenly to both players, so you will have to develop defensive and offensive strategy, not just bang them in!
Make the 8 on the break is a loss is my favorite banger game! I usually soft break that game and let my opponent beat balls around for a few turns until I can run or run to a good safe and then run!
Try soft breaking against bangers! They love it:thumbup:
:thumbup:I personally avoid playing in places that don't play by real rules, however, you may not have that choice.
On another note, I would have handled the whole situation differently. Every once in a while, the other player will get lucky, and you will have a bad game, resulting in a loss by the better player. Of course it is made worse by the fact that he won illegally, but this seems to be the norm in this tournament. None the less, it is going to happen at times. Unfortunately, some people do not handle their success well, and run their mouth off in both an immature and unsportsmalike manner. In my opinion, you have to take the high road here instead of reacting to the embarasement that losing to him causes. If you have won 60 tournaments and this one is his first, then the whole bar certainly knows how much better you are than him already, without you announcing it, and challenging him to gamble. That is always the response of a disgruntled loser, and borders on the line of poor sportsmanship itself. Turning around and announcing to the bar how bad he is and how good you are after you were just beat by him may also qualify you as a poor loser. I would have just taken my medicine for the night (although I would have calmly protested the illegal jump shot and asked for clarification if it would be allowed in the future), and took solice in the fact that I know I am a much better player than him. If I had an area of my game that particularly contributed to the loss, I would have worked on that to make sure the next 10 times I played him, my play at the table would have spoken plenty loud for itself.
On another note, I would have handled the whole situation differently. Every once in a while, the other player will get lucky, and you will have a bad game, resulting in a loss by the better player. Of course it is made worse by the fact that he won illegally, but this seems to be the norm in this tournament. None the less, it is going to happen at times. Unfortunately, some people do not handle their success well, and run their mouth off in both an immature and unsportsmalike manner. In my opinion, you have to take the high road here instead of reacting to the embarasement that losing to him causes. If you have won 60 tournaments and this one is his first, then the whole bar certainly knows how much better you are than him already, without you announcing it, and challenging him to gamble. That is always the response of a disgruntled loser, and borders on the line of poor sportsmanship itself. Turning around and announcing to the bar how bad he is and how good you are after you were just beat by him may also qualify you as a poor loser. I would have just taken my medicine for the night (although I would have calmly protested the illegal jump shot and asked for clarification if it would be allowed in the future), and took solice in the fact that I know I am a much better player than him. If I had an area of my game that particularly contributed to the loss, I would have worked on that to make sure the next 10 times I played him, my play at the table would have spoken plenty loud for itself.
Your safety play is something that is just good pool. People that have a problem with that style of play do not know pool very well, and obviously do not play better players very often. I would not worry at all about their response to correct play. All lower level players call safety play names.
well put...
I agree completely.
-Disgruntled loser
-Poor sport
-Big Ego (Hello world, I have won 60 tournaments... who really keeps track of performance in $5 entry bar box tournaments?)
Perfect combination
I agree completely.
-Disgruntled loser
-Poor sport
-Big Ego (Hello world, I have won 60 tournaments... who really keeps track of performance in $5 entry bar box tournaments?)
Perfect combination
The craziest BS on a bar table I've seen happened in a league where only the captain or the person playing could call a foul. This old curmudgeon on the opposing team was at the table, behind in an 8-ball game with just the 8 and his last two balls on the table. He has no shot and the 8 is hanging in the side pocket.
But he notices that his opponent and our captain are not watching the table. A light bulb goes on in his head...so, smiling a crooked smile and looking me in the eye, he slops his last two balls in a pocket with his HAND!
I jump to my feet and yell FOUL!
He flips me off and yells FOUL on me (since I'm not the captain).
You guessed it...the cheatin' scumbag got ball-in-hand and sank the winning 8 ball.
Now I happily play in the TAP league, where good fun and good sportsmanship rule the day.
But he notices that his opponent and our captain are not watching the table. A light bulb goes on in his head...so, smiling a crooked smile and looking me in the eye, he slops his last two balls in a pocket with his HAND!
I jump to my feet and yell FOUL!
He flips me off and yells FOUL on me (since I'm not the captain).
You guessed it...the cheatin' scumbag got ball-in-hand and sank the winning 8 ball.
Now I happily play in the TAP league, where good fun and good sportsmanship rule the day.
Good Gosh . . .
Hand Slop . . . Jeeeeez!
There's only one way to deal with some people . . .
Hand Slop . . . Jeeeeez!
There's only one way to deal with some people . . .
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I call B*LLSH*T !
REAL playas will snatch up any action that comes up , beat 'em at their own game , & walk out with fat stacks . . . .
I'd be back the next week scoopin' , tactical scratchin' , pocket blockin' , ball cuddlin' , tobacco spittin' , and doin' the funki chikin next to the table while they're shootin' . . . .:grin-devilish:
REAL playas will snatch up any action that comes up , beat 'em at their own game , & walk out with fat stacks . . . .
I'd be back the next week scoopin' , tactical scratchin' , pocket blockin' , ball cuddlin' , tobacco spittin' , and doin' the funki chikin next to the table while they're shootin' . . . .:grin-devilish:
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> First of all,has anyone even noticed I threw in a typo in the first word of the title? 
Got a few things to clarify.
First,I ran into the douchebag the week before in a gas station when he told me he won his first tournament,bottom line. Never gave it another thought,I wasn't there,and never even considered this guy beating me with anything riding on it,except in cases of just random luck,and never thought about a flat cheap move.
The scoop jump incident went like this. The moron makes his last ball and hooks himself. I see he's about to scoop it,and call out the guy that runs the tournament. While he's paying attention to me,the scoop is made. All I asked was if it was legal or not. I wasn't even paying attention to my opponent,knowing even if he wins on that bullshit,I'm still not going to give him any thought,just a douchebag in my book.
By the way that cheesy win of his didn't even put him in the finals,this was a winner's side match. In over a year of playing in this tournament,not a soul has ever attempted a jump shot of any kind. I believe that anyone other than a guy drunk and geeked-up will clearly understand that damn near any bar in any civilized place will not allow a scoop,esp when even kids are taught not to. Just never seen it allowed in a tournament,just people goofing off.
What made me feel the need to ask him to gamble,remind him of his tournament win vs my 60,and tell him to shut the F**K up was the fact that while I was at the bar getting drinks for me and my girlfriend,he walks up behind me and starts talking about how he just won,high-fiving his buddies,and making it a point to piss me off,when I wasn't even mad about it other than it being allowed. My thought process at that point was to win the damn thing anyway,nothing else. He got loud and I made damn sure him and everyone else there heard exactly what I had to say in return.
I have said it here many times,and most long-term members and people that actually know me know this. The ONLY cotton-pickin' reason I play in cheap local bar tournaments is to be hitting balls,pure and simple.
I'm not starving to death. It's not like I'm playing in a different tournament every night of the week with tough players,have several poolrooms to hang out in,or have constant local action. Where I live is the most uncivilized place in the world to be a dedicated,passionate pool junkie. Just the way it is.
Other than the scoop guy,I have never once refused to shake someone's hand. Just not me. People have refused me before,don't think much about it.
I've only been accused of cheating by idiots or drunks,and tend to not let an argument start if at all possible.
I hate losing,period. I don't talk shit or insult my opponent after a loss. If I'm off after a loss,I'm frustrated with myself,or the luck factor,not blaming you.
Sure,I told him in no certain terms yeah I've won 60 of these this year. Yes sir,everyone there knows it too,except this yo-yo. Undisputed proof exists without question. I assure you that yes I do have an ego,no denying it. The disagreement I have with it being broadcast is that it's not like I go and advertise myself as some world-beater,and just run my mouth to whoever is standing around.
The people that truly know me know I believe in myself,and most everyone local knows what I'm capable of.
As far as the 3 guys accusing me of N-word pool,that's just too stupid to do anything in response except laugh. In rural Tennessee,such an accusation or that word in particular can at any time,and has in the past,caused unspeakable violence and even death if used towards the right person,or even if used between 2 men of the same race and someone from another overhears it. I stay away from such things.
Nice discussion,Tommy D.
Got a few things to clarify.
First,I ran into the douchebag the week before in a gas station when he told me he won his first tournament,bottom line. Never gave it another thought,I wasn't there,and never even considered this guy beating me with anything riding on it,except in cases of just random luck,and never thought about a flat cheap move.
The scoop jump incident went like this. The moron makes his last ball and hooks himself. I see he's about to scoop it,and call out the guy that runs the tournament. While he's paying attention to me,the scoop is made. All I asked was if it was legal or not. I wasn't even paying attention to my opponent,knowing even if he wins on that bullshit,I'm still not going to give him any thought,just a douchebag in my book.
By the way that cheesy win of his didn't even put him in the finals,this was a winner's side match. In over a year of playing in this tournament,not a soul has ever attempted a jump shot of any kind. I believe that anyone other than a guy drunk and geeked-up will clearly understand that damn near any bar in any civilized place will not allow a scoop,esp when even kids are taught not to. Just never seen it allowed in a tournament,just people goofing off.
What made me feel the need to ask him to gamble,remind him of his tournament win vs my 60,and tell him to shut the F**K up was the fact that while I was at the bar getting drinks for me and my girlfriend,he walks up behind me and starts talking about how he just won,high-fiving his buddies,and making it a point to piss me off,when I wasn't even mad about it other than it being allowed. My thought process at that point was to win the damn thing anyway,nothing else. He got loud and I made damn sure him and everyone else there heard exactly what I had to say in return.
I have said it here many times,and most long-term members and people that actually know me know this. The ONLY cotton-pickin' reason I play in cheap local bar tournaments is to be hitting balls,pure and simple.
I'm not starving to death. It's not like I'm playing in a different tournament every night of the week with tough players,have several poolrooms to hang out in,or have constant local action. Where I live is the most uncivilized place in the world to be a dedicated,passionate pool junkie. Just the way it is.
Other than the scoop guy,I have never once refused to shake someone's hand. Just not me. People have refused me before,don't think much about it.
I've only been accused of cheating by idiots or drunks,and tend to not let an argument start if at all possible.
I hate losing,period. I don't talk shit or insult my opponent after a loss. If I'm off after a loss,I'm frustrated with myself,or the luck factor,not blaming you.
Sure,I told him in no certain terms yeah I've won 60 of these this year. Yes sir,everyone there knows it too,except this yo-yo. Undisputed proof exists without question. I assure you that yes I do have an ego,no denying it. The disagreement I have with it being broadcast is that it's not like I go and advertise myself as some world-beater,and just run my mouth to whoever is standing around.
The people that truly know me know I believe in myself,and most everyone local knows what I'm capable of.
As far as the 3 guys accusing me of N-word pool,that's just too stupid to do anything in response except laugh. In rural Tennessee,such an accusation or that word in particular can at any time,and has in the past,caused unspeakable violence and even death if used towards the right person,or even if used between 2 men of the same race and someone from another overhears it. I stay away from such things.
Nice discussion,Tommy D.
You should review what you write before you post. Several of your statements are contradictory.
West Tennessee Bar Pool
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20101219/NEWS01/12190314/Man-shot-following-argument-over-pool
Man shot following argument over pool
Teen in custody after shooting
BY MARIANN MARTIN
Shawn Clint Bolton, 33, was shot multiple times around 3:10 a.m. and is in the Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville. His condition was not known Saturday evening.
James Casey Markham, 19, of Jackson, has been charged with attempted first-degree murder, according to a news release from the Jackson Police Department.
Lt. Tyreece Miller said police have questioned a second man believed to be present at the shooting, and the investigation is ongoing.
Bolton was at a Jackson nightclub early Saturday and won a game of pool against Markham, Miller said. Bolton and Markham then got into an argument about money won in the game, Miller said.
Bolton went to his home in the 100 block of Holly Street, the news release said. Markham arrived at the house a short time later.
When Bolton went to the door, Markham fired multiple shots, hitting Bolton once in the back and once in the back of the neck, the news release said.
Bolton was taken to Jackson-Madison County General Hospital and later airlifted to Vanderbilt.
Markham surrendered to the Jackson Police Department around 7 a.m. Saturday. He is scheduled to be arraigned at 8 a.m. Monday in Jackson City Court.
Markham did not have a prior adult arrest record, Miller said.
This comes close to happening every night, why I do not know.
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/20101219/NEWS01/12190314/Man-shot-following-argument-over-pool
Man shot following argument over pool
Teen in custody after shooting
BY MARIANN MARTIN
Shawn Clint Bolton, 33, was shot multiple times around 3:10 a.m. and is in the Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville. His condition was not known Saturday evening.
James Casey Markham, 19, of Jackson, has been charged with attempted first-degree murder, according to a news release from the Jackson Police Department.
Lt. Tyreece Miller said police have questioned a second man believed to be present at the shooting, and the investigation is ongoing.
Bolton was at a Jackson nightclub early Saturday and won a game of pool against Markham, Miller said. Bolton and Markham then got into an argument about money won in the game, Miller said.
Bolton went to his home in the 100 block of Holly Street, the news release said. Markham arrived at the house a short time later.
When Bolton went to the door, Markham fired multiple shots, hitting Bolton once in the back and once in the back of the neck, the news release said.
Bolton was taken to Jackson-Madison County General Hospital and later airlifted to Vanderbilt.
Markham surrendered to the Jackson Police Department around 7 a.m. Saturday. He is scheduled to be arraigned at 8 a.m. Monday in Jackson City Court.
Markham did not have a prior adult arrest record, Miller said.
This comes close to happening every night, why I do not know.
Follow-up
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/201012210520/NEWS01/12210310?odyssey=mod_related_topix
The man charged with shooting a Bemis man — after an argument over a pool game at a local nightclub turned violent — told a judge on Monday that he was on probation on a charge of marijuana possession.
James Casey Markham, 19, of Jackson, is charged with attempted first-degree murder in the shooting. He was arraigned in Jackson City Court on Monday morning and is being held on $200,000 bond.
Shawn Clint Bolton, 33, remains in critical condition at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville after the shooting.
During his arraignment, Markham said he is on disability and does not have a job. He waved to several family members in the courtroom. One of them called out, "Take care," as Markham was led back to jail.
Judge Blake Anderson revoked Markham's probation after his arraignment. He is scheduled to be back in court on Dec. 31.
Bolton was at the Mix Factory early Saturday morning and won a game of pool against Markham, according to police. Bolton and Markham then got into an argument about money won in the game.
According to the affidavit, Bolton left the nightclub with his girlfriend and went to his home in the 100 block of Holly Street after the argument.
Markham arrived at the house a short time later and banged on the door, the affidavit says. When Bolton answered the door, Markham shot him multiple times as he turned away to shut the door.
Bolton was hit once in the back and once in the back of the neck. He was taken to Jackson-Madison County General Hospital and later airlifted to Vanderbilt.
When police arrived, Bolton told them he had been shot by a man known as "Lucky," who was later identified as Markham, the affidavit says.
Markham surrendered to the Jackson Police Department around 7 a.m. Saturday.
http://www.jacksonsun.com/article/201012210520/NEWS01/12210310?odyssey=mod_related_topix
The man charged with shooting a Bemis man — after an argument over a pool game at a local nightclub turned violent — told a judge on Monday that he was on probation on a charge of marijuana possession.
James Casey Markham, 19, of Jackson, is charged with attempted first-degree murder in the shooting. He was arraigned in Jackson City Court on Monday morning and is being held on $200,000 bond.
Shawn Clint Bolton, 33, remains in critical condition at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville after the shooting.
During his arraignment, Markham said he is on disability and does not have a job. He waved to several family members in the courtroom. One of them called out, "Take care," as Markham was led back to jail.
Judge Blake Anderson revoked Markham's probation after his arraignment. He is scheduled to be back in court on Dec. 31.
Bolton was at the Mix Factory early Saturday morning and won a game of pool against Markham, according to police. Bolton and Markham then got into an argument about money won in the game.
According to the affidavit, Bolton left the nightclub with his girlfriend and went to his home in the 100 block of Holly Street after the argument.
Markham arrived at the house a short time later and banged on the door, the affidavit says. When Bolton answered the door, Markham shot him multiple times as he turned away to shut the door.
Bolton was hit once in the back and once in the back of the neck. He was taken to Jackson-Madison County General Hospital and later airlifted to Vanderbilt.
When police arrived, Bolton told them he had been shot by a man known as "Lucky," who was later identified as Markham, the affidavit says.
Markham surrendered to the Jackson Police Department around 7 a.m. Saturday.
