Going to See the Monk

Williebetmore said:
I DO know a world class player who uses a tight grip on the back hand.

Just out of curiosity, does this person utilize a short poke stroke? I was just wondering how this would work.
 
Cameron Smith said:
Just out of curiosity, does this person utilize a short poke stroke? I was just wondering how this would work.

Number Six,
No poke stroke. It's George Breedlove "The Flamethrower".
 
That's interesting because I didn't even realize you were supposed to use a loose grip until a comment was made during the Reyes-Souquet match on TV a few weeks ago that you could hear the sound the cue made against the cue ball when they struck it..I tried it and it improved my game somewhat.
 
Williebetmore said:
Number Six,
No poke stroke. It's George Breedlove "The Flamethrower".

Willie: Someone said he is going to be in Orland Park for an IPT event next weekend. Have you heard anything about that?
 
dmgwalsh said:
Willie: Someone said he is going to be in Orland Park for an IPT event next weekend. Have you heard anything about that?

DMG,
I haven't heard anything. I know he already has his tour card; but JL does not and may be playing in some qualifiers; in which case I suppose he might accompany her. Please keep us informed of the details. I suspect Jeff Beckley might also be attempting to repeat qualification - you might want to catch one of his matches.
 
coolpoolfool said:
That's interesting because I didn't even realize you were supposed to use a loose grip until a comment was made during the Reyes-Souquet match on TV a few weeks ago that you could hear the sound the cue made against the cue ball when they struck it..I tried it and it improved my game somewhat.

The idea behind the loose grip, is that you can produce a longer and freer stroke and you can utilize more wrist action. This allows you to deliver a powerful stroke with less effort.

On the other hand a tighter grip makes it more difficult to pull the cue left or right, however your stroke is limited. I used to use this while playing snooker with a house cue that had a flat tip.

I prefer loose grip as I can get more spin.
 
now finally some1 hit the nail on the head laser...you understand the whole four strokes thing well.ever since i have started playing pool i have only ever used the monks methods.he now trains me personal and in november me and a selcted few students will tour the states.it really makes me laugh to here the crap some of make up.......eg a choke grip.....on every shot......wow he has never said this to me..lol he teachs me to grip as the same manner you pick your cue up nice and relaxed!anyway pm me if you want to set up a match in nov:confused: ...i mean we all will have a choke tight grip and be playing with some 4strokes that cant be right.....so why not?:o
 
Pushout said:
Going to see The Monk {Tim Miller} Wednesday night. Supposed to do stroke analysis. Anyone seen this??
Pushout,
Tim has a lot of good information,depending on your level of knowledge at this time.I have always found useful information from him, regardless of having read most all instructional printed worthwhile Tell him Linda Moss in Fl.says hello and wants to know if the honeymoon is still going?
keep an open mind "grasshopper".

lj moss
 
Linda,
I wasn't impressed. I've been doing the stuff he showed for some time, I just don't describe it that way. He seemed a personable guy, but I didn't spend any money. He seemed to go two or more rails much more often than needed. Didn't see your post 'til today, 8/23. Think he's going to be in Chicago soon?
 
Mail Him The Money

Pushout said:
Going to see The Monk {Tim Miller} Wednesday night. Supposed to do stroke analysis. Anyone seen this??
WHY DON,T YOU JUST MAIL HIM THE MONEY. ???
 
Hogan

Williebetmore said:
I've read most (if not all) of the Monk's published books; as well as the info on his website. Though I am not a big fan of "psycho-babble" as a way to improve the game, he DOES have a lot of interesting and credible information. A person who followed his drills and instructions could develop a respectable game. It's not the regimen that I have chosen; but hey, different strokes for different folks.

I DO know a world class player who uses a tight grip on the back hand.

Whatever else you think about the Monk; I have tremendous respect for his enthusiasm for the game - it's obvious that he does know the true secret to pool ("it's in the cloth" - to paraphrase Ben Hogan). It is also obvious that he is dedicated to spreading around the kind of knowledge that can lead to proficiency - a dedication that would have been nice to see from the "old-schoolers" who jealously guarded their secrets to the detriment of the game.

The poster who credits the Monk with recommending no competitive play has not studied the Monk's published works that deal extensively with BOTH practice and competition - and throughout view practice as a way to build proficiency FOR COMPETITION.

P.S. - I've never met him.
P.P.S. - For you non-golfers: Ben Hogan was the dominant golfer in the world for about 8 years in the late 40's, early 50's. He had completely changed and re-tooled his game in his early 30's; becoming dominant in the process. He was a maniac practice fanatic; and was WIDELY assumed to have some secret knowledge that allowed him to dominate. When asked about "The Secret", all he would ever say is, "it's in the dirt" (meaning the dirt of the practice range where he spent most of his time).
HE CHANGED HIS GAME BECAUSE HE WAS INVOLVED IN A HORRABLE ACCIDENT
 
You know I took one of his workshops and he was accompanied by a top female player. I was dissapointed the first day as I thought thatI pretty much went through everything I had ever read or already known. BUT ... the second day was truly good for my game. It focused on his 2-7-2 shots. And even he said if that "system" (for lack of a better word) was the ONLY thing we as a class took frmm the workshop it would be worth it. And honsetly .. I took about 4 to 5 basic shots from his 4 strokes teachings and the 2-7-2 drills and just did those to warm up. I will admit Iwas not a run out 9 ball player by far before that but in about 2-4 weeks of doing those drills before playing and in my free time I became a break and run out player with fair to medium difficult spreads in 9 ball. Shortly after I stopped playing 9 ball and Pretty much just play straight pool and ! hole. Personally what I paid was worth the information and knowledge I gained given I would have lost much more the way I was trying to learn Gambling with people in my pool room !!! I cant say I agree with everything he teaches now, but for me those drills were a turning point in my playing abilities. But to each his own. !!!
 
kildegirl said:
WHY DON,T YOU JUST MAIL HIM THE MONEY. ???

It was free. I never would have paid him for anything, especially after I saw what he had to offer.
 
Pool

Pushout said:
Well, I just got back. Not too impressed, really. He made some good points about pre-shot routines, but other than that, kinda ho-hum. Think I do most of the shots/strokes he showed, just not quite the same way. Wasn't moved to spend any money on books or dvds.
WHY DID YOU
BOTHER TO TALK TO ME??

HAL
 
I'm curious. If you attend a Monk workshop, does he push you to buy his products. It seems that when he remade his original videos, he didn't just make DVDs, he completely remade the series. In these new versions he seems to constantly tell you about his other products that you need.
 
kildegirl said:
HE CHANGED HIS GAME BECAUSE HE WAS INVOLVED IN A HORRABLE ACCIDENT

KG,
The change in Ben Hogan's game was years before the accident. He grew up in Texas, and had the low, flat hook that many players there develop to combat the windy conditions, and maximize roll on the hard, dry fairways. He spent a couple of years (after turning pro), changing his swing to deliver a soft, controllable fade. He was an average pro before the change, had a terrible year or two while changing, then became the dominant force on tour.

Because of this, many thought he had a "secret" for the perfect swing. He said, "the secret is in the dirt"; meaning the dirt of the practice tee - a message that many pool players would find helpful.
 
metal5d said:
I was on his email list for a very brief period. After he started pushing health supplements to improve your game I asked to be removed. I think he ruins any good information he might have with all the BS he pushes.

Now I know him and KT are cousins...
:p
 
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