So, what's YOUR contribution to this thread?Where are you at on that list?
They did make it through grade school though.
"Gold Crown" Ball Polisher
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Fu$%ing TROLL, I swear
Aerospace prominently but nearly 30 years of RD in a variety genres, mechanical and process and close to 20 years of Patent law and various IP.
But it doesn't really matter does it? Would you change your opinion on anything? Ever? lol.
Funny you should mention engineer, because is say about 70% of the work I dix was designed by engineers who've never had to work on of fix what they've designed
PS, and I only have a 10th grade education
FWIW, 70% sit right in the heart of the bell curve normal distribution so yea, lot's of average people out there doing average work. Shocker.
And notice not at one time did I have to belittle you, condescend to you or insult you or your education. In fact, I don't believe I ever addressed you directly and there's a reason for that. You show your "10 grade education" in spades, virtually every time you touch a keyboard (Literally) and I promise you, it doesn't not make you look good or impress anyone, on the contrary. FWIW, I was HS drop out as well, been on my own since I was 16 years old. Yet currently have multiple degrees and my Doctorate and I've done it all on my own. The only people I need to impress with any of that these days are my wife and the people who write my checks and we're doing more than just fine thanks.
None of that changes the fact that if you rub any something more on one side than the other, it's going to wear faster on that side. Any 10th grader would agree. That said, you and I are done until you learn some respect and basic social manners and I think we all know the chances of that happening don't fit anywhere under a bell curve of any distribution.
Thank you and it surely is an improvement. Enjoy it.
And yet you feel the NEED to give me YOUR free advice on how I should act, because why? So people will be more inclined to hire me for my services? Or should I just be nicer to people who feel the need to stick their nose in my business, so THEY can feel good about themselves because they feel voicing they're unsolicited opinions matter? You know what I say, I don't give a shit who likes me, or who don't, makes NO difference in my life! I make friends with everyone I do work for, and don't treat ANY of them as customers! My FRIENDS list is getting so long I may have to start re-evalutating who my friends are exactlyAerospace prominently but nearly 30 years of RD in a variety genres, mechanical and process and close to 20 years of Patent law and various IP.
But it doesn't really matter does it? Would you change your opinion on anything? Ever? lol.
FWIW, 70% sit right in the heart of the bell curve normal distribution so yea, lot's of average people out there doing average work. Shocker.
And notice not at one time did I have to belittle you, condescend to you or insult you or your education. In fact, I don't believe I ever addressed you directly and there's a reason for that. You show your "10 grade education" in spades, virtually every time you touch a keyboard (Literally) and I promise you, it doesn't not make you look good or impress anyone, on the contrary. FWIW, I was HS drop out as well, been on my own since I was 16 years old. Yet currently have multiple degrees and my Doctorate and I've done it all on my own. The only people I need to impress with any of that these days are my wife and the people who write my checks and we're doing more than just fine thanks.
None of that changes the fact that if you rub any something more on one side than the other, it's going to wear faster on that side. Any 10th grader would agree. That said, you and I are done until you learn some respect and basic social manners and I think we all know the chances of that happening don't fit anywhere under a bell curve of any distribution.
Thank you and it surely is an improvement. Enjoy it.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
This argument makes zero sense. Are you going to index the balls each time you polish them so they are sure to hit the exact same spot?
Playing dumb for the sake of appearing smart isn't a great trait. Please try to apply some common sense.
WTH are you talking about?
"If you rub any something more on one side than the other, it's going to wear faster on that side."
Are you arguing that's not a fact? I'd love to hear that explanation.
Or are you claiming that it's not possible to polish/shine/etc a sphere in a way that it's stays a sphere?
I'm also lost on the playing dumb part, are you playing dumb on these most basic of concepts? Yes, common sense, apply liberally.
Um, not really sure what else to say but I'm sorry if this comes as a surprise, but there are endless types of machine operations in use to shape and polish a sphere. I mean, how do you think pool balls get that way in the first place?
Wow. I guess. :O
Whats the replacement time frame for pool balls? The balls sliding on the cloth wears the balls out as well, so at what point in time would YOU recommend replacing the balls?
I your opinion, what is the acceptable wear on a set of balls that means they're still playable, or need to be replaced?
When they no longer rack tight.
It seems to me there are a couple of factors that would make uneven wear extremely small, and possibly undetectable. First, each time the balls are put in the machine they are thrown in randomly. If the balls are cleaned every day after a month I can't see how any one part of the ball would be worn more than another. Second, balls are not supposed to be "polished" every time. That is an abrasive process. They should be cleaned with a ball cleaner like Aramith, which I'm pretty sure is not abrasive. So between the balls being oriented randomly for each cleaning, and non abrasive cleaners being used I'd be surprised if you could detect an out of round ball any time soon.
I alluded* (voice text) to that earlier.
But yes, with all of those assumptions in play and assuming frictionless cleaning is a thing, you might be correct. If someone cared enough, someone could simply test it.
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When was the last time you ever saw someone measuring the balls?
Maybe Myth Busters could do a show on how long it takes for a ball polisher to turn a set of pool balls into a set of marbles
Have ANY idea just how hard cast phenolic is? Unless you use a very abrasive compound running them thru a polisher like this is never going to cause 'mis-shaped' balls. As said before you rarely have to use the Aramith polisher. That's only for really grungy balls and even then its very mild compound. I've watched the vids and these are spinning more than enough that any worries about 'mis-shaped' balls are un-warranted. BTW, my local spot has sets of Centennials that are 20yrs old. Not too long ago a few from each set were measured. Except for a few 1b's(and they were still pretty good) all the balls were still within spec. These have been cleaned in a home-made Diamond style machine using either Aramith or ChemPak cleaner. It spins them about the same as the one in this thread. Again, no need to sweat this.
Dan, Aramith Cleaner does in fact contain abrasives. Very tiny particles but its in there, just like toothpaste.
The Aramith "Restorer" contains larger abrasive particles.
The abrasives used are soft and break down into smaller and smaller particles when used. These abrasives do more "burnishing" than material removal. They're not like sand, they're soft and break down, like I said.
And Glen, I guess this is proof I'm a nerd. I've measured balls many times. When balls start to not follow basic tracks on my carom table ball diameter is a possible reason. Of course there's several other reasons but normally I've already eliminated most of them other than changing out the cloth. As a rule of thumb, its time to buy a new set when they're about 1/2mm under size.
I own a single platter Diamond polisher and clean balls after about 2-3 hours of play. I've owned this machine for about 4 years and haven't suffered from balls getting worn down although I rotate 4 sets. The table is cleaned about every 2 hours.
Speaking to the fact that simply playing will wear down balls.... I normally won't put any of my sets on a public table unless I know that table is regularly cleaned. If it isn't, a brand new set will look like House Balls within 2 hours not to mention my hand will look like its from a blue smurf.
Last comment, when I first received the Diamond machine I was disappointed because when balls were loaded in, the sprocket didn't float like I'd seen on other machines and yes the balls at least seemed to rotate on the same axis, so I would put my finger on them while it ran. Today there's enough float that I don't have to do that anymore.
This is a weird place, not sure what to think.
I've casted phenolic so yes. It also wears from friction like everything else. Pool balls wear from play alone, cleaning and other use. Fact. How much? Varies. Tons of data out there showing that they do, even here. Fact. I've made no claim as to how much and I've stated it could minimal in this case, now multiple times. Please go back and read. Thanks.
Polish and many/most cleaners contain abrasives. How much? Varies. That's how those work. Fact. Soap is different, it works by breaking molecular bonds to free debris, assuming you don't scrub with an abrasive. Carpet is abrasive. Also fact. The vid posted shows the balls rotating in a semi fixed (not random) pattern and in contact with an abrasive. Fact.
I'm sure your sample size of one is impressive, but it only proves something to one person, just as I said to the OP. So far not one single shred of contrasting fact/data/testing has been presented, not one. Zero. The OP seems happy and I praised him for his good work. I'm sorry so many who have build these bucket cleaners have been so butt hurt but it doesn't change the very basic facts that have been stated. Facts. No commercial industry that I am aware of, and there are many, cleans or polishs 'spheres' during their production process in this way. None. Probably a reason.
Other than that, I really don't know where the controversy is. Have your opinion, it's one of many.
I think you mean "alluded." Not too be picky, but you said you were a little OCD so I'm sure you'd understand.
I don't think you are out of bounds for suggesting uneven wear, but I don't see how you get around the random nature of throwing the balls in the cleaner. Everything pretty much wears balls down to some minimal degree or another. Cue balls wear faster because they see more action than any other ball.
Don't sell people in this forum short, though. Many of us have been using ball machines for many years, even decades. If there were an issue with uneven wear we'd most likely know about it.
Whats typical of many threads like this, is that someone will come along and start something negative about the subject. This thread was about a person building his dream, ideal ball polisher, of which he's done a great job of doing so. Then it turns into a discussion about wearing the balls out, yet not one of those who posted the negativity of wearing out the balls has posted one single fact about what is out of tolerance for the balls to be considered worn out, no measurements, nothing. Fact based evidence has not been provided whatsoever, but what has been provided is a lot of conspiracy theories, without the support of facts. How about a comparison of normal use wear vs being cleaned in a machine? How about the difference in the quality of the balls being produced, does that not come into play some how? How about the fact that some makes of balls wear the cloth out faster than other makes of balls, why is that? I don't like the Arimith super pro balls because they leave burn marks all over the cloth in the form of little white burn marks from the friction induced movement of the balls, not just the cue ball, yet the Durimith Arimith balls don't, why is that?
I know one thing for sure, playing with clean balls is a lot less frustrating than playing with dirty balls, but then again, playing on a clean pool table is way more enjoyable than playing on a dirty one.
So, could someone please provide the exact wear down of the balls at which time they should be replaced, and please do that for all the different makes of the balls please, because not all pool balls are made the same, so could you provide some kind of wear chart to support your claims, something that in fact can be measured!
I know one thing for sure, playing with clean balls is a lot less frustrating than playing with dirty balls, but then again, playing on a clean pool table is way more enjoyable than playing on a dirty one.
So, could someone please provide the exact wear down of the balls at which time they should be replaced, and please do that for all the different makes of the balls please, because not all pool balls are made the same, so could you provide some kind of wear chart to support your claims, something that in fact can be measured!
I thought I did give a wear spec.
1/2mm for carom balls.
That's when they start to bank noticeably short.
I was told this by a 2X National Champion. Seems to hold true.
Have you noticed how long it takes a ball to wear 1/2mm?