Gold Crown IV
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A Doctor should be able to buy a new table. :smile:. Johnnyt
Gold Crowns play great. A little different than a Diamond, mainly due to the Diamond having a deeper shelf.
Having said that, I can't tell you enough that how well it plays depends on how well it is set up. Don't find a mechanic, find a good mechanic. Even if it costs a little more, it's more than worth it to have the right guy set up your table. :smile:
Having said that, I can't tell you enough that how well it plays depends on how well it is set up. Don't find a mechanic, find a good mechanic. Even if it costs a little more, it's more than worth it to have the right guy set up your table. :smile:
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Ditto' I'm a GC guy myself, but I guess it's what you prefer.
Flip a coin and pull the trigger on the winner'
Rob.M
Rob.M
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Ditto' I'm a GC guy myself, but I guess it's what you prefer.
Flip a coin and pull the trigger on the winner'
Rob.M
Rob.M
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If price wasn't the issue I would go for the Diamond Paragon.
With price considerations I think the Pro Am is the better deal, seeing as how most diamonds are already set up with the preferred pocket dimensions.
Most Gold Crowns require rail work to get the pockets to play right. Any rail work done to a Diamond would only be done to upgrade to the Blue Label specs.
If price wasn't the issue I would go for the Diamond Paragon.
With price considerations I think the Pro Am is the better deal, seeing as how most diamonds are already set up with the preferred pocket dimensions.
Most Gold Crowns require rail work to get the pockets to play right. Any rail work done to a Diamond would only be done to upgrade to the Blue Label specs.
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After all these years of companies building fine pool tables and it still has to come to "I hope I can get a good table mechanic to set my new GC or Diamond table up for me". Will pool tables ever be built where you don't need an expert to set one up? I recently had my table moved to my new home and I had to get the guys that moved and set it up to come back and re-level the slate and seal the joints in between the slate!
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How do you put GC5 corner castings on a GC4? That seems impossible to me, unless you replaced all the formica as well. Am I missing something obvious?
I thought I heard Brunswick offered a GCV upgrade for the older GCs where you basically put the GCV rails on an existing older GC. Never actually seen it done just heard about it though.
Brunswick has always offered the newer rails/skirts/pockets for sale without the rest of the table, as the rails will bolt onto any GC produced in the past.
There's really no such thing as a fool proof pool table that an untrained table installer can't screw up it they don't have the correct training to do the job they're hired to do, and cloth/cushion/slate/table manufactures look at that problem as...it's not their problem, they just put it all together to create the pool table. Once sold, it's out of their hands
I can't imagine anyone doing that to a GC4 unless someone went to the original rails with an axe. Just doesn't make sense for a newer table. I think its more likely the description of the table for sale might not be accurate.
There's really no such thing as a fool proof pool table that an untrained table installer can't screw up it they don't have the correct training to do the job they're hired to do, and cloth/cushion/slate/table manufactures look at that problem as...it's not their problem, they just put it all together to create the pool table. Once sold, it's out of their hands
There is always things that can be done in the design of a product, to make it easier to assemble properly. Its up to the designer to want to do that, perhaps by working together with the installer during the design.
It might not be to the level of "fool proof so that any monkey can install a table", but there is always room for improvement.
There's really no such thing as a fool proof pool table that an untrained table installer can't screw up it they don't have the correct training to do the job they're hired to do, and cloth/cushion/slate/table manufactures look at that problem as...it's not their problem, they just put it all together to create the pool table. Once sold, it's out of their hands
I agree. Especially in regard to a used GC. Keeping in mind how long many of these Brunswicks have been in service, well before the trend to tighter pockets. As a result, many Gold Crowns have been hacked on time and again by guys that don't know what they are doing when it comes to installing new cushions and tightening pockets. And if you find an untouched GC chances are you want the buckets brought tighter, in which case you want someone who knows how to correctly extend the sub-rails rather than simply shimming the snot out of it. Further, even if you buy one that is exactly how you want it, you'd be surprised at how many "trained professionals" don't even know how to properly stretch bed cloth or level a table.
I'll say it again - if you are buying an excellent product like a GC or Diamond, the mechanic may indeed be the most important component of ending up with a great playing table. BTW, I'm not a mechanic, just a player who appreciates a table that plays well.
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Diamond is about the most brainless table there is to set up, but I've come behind someone else's work...and asked myself time and time again...what in the hell were they thinking when they set this or that table up....I mean, hell...all the parts are clearly numbered or marked where they go....so...WHY are they not put together correctly?!?!?
There is a perfect example. Diamond can design the rails so they are impossible to misassemble, and not rely on a mechanic looking for numbers to line up.
Another example is the markings you put on simonis to consistently stretch the cloth the same amount. Those can be put on by simonis in their factory.
I'm not saying its right or wrong, just that you can put more thought into the design of something, and then make the necessary skill of the installer be less. Its the whole way the design world works: Make the design as easy as possible, that you can hire unskilled workers to do the job. This is true from everything from fast food employees, to people working in an automotive assembly line.
When houses start wiring themselves, and putting in their own pluming, I'll agree with you. But, there's no substitute for knowing your trade. Working on a pool table will never be like checking your own groceries out at the local grocery store...just scan the price and bag-it. Installing and setting up a pool table...IS the most basic job there is when it comes to working on them, you don't have to be a real table mechanic to get that job done, but at least learn how to do it right in the first place....THAT is what's lacking in this industry of "installers"...because the customers ALLOW it to happen, but not asking first...do you know what you're doing? Most all customers feel like it's no big deal to set up a pool table, which is WHY these guys get away with the things they do....and get PAID!