Golf more exciting than Pool?

She can hit the sweet spot on a golf ball, but will NEVER hit it 350. I don't think some of you understand how far 350 yds is in golf.

I don't think most CARE.....it's like saying you have a 30 mph break. BIG DEAL, can you put together an 8 pack in 10 ball? Seen Busty do it...lol

BTW, there are guys that can throw a football 80 yards, throw 100 mph fastballs, hit baseballs 500 feet, etc. etc. etc., that AREN'T pros. Hitting a golf ball 350 yards might be cool, but it takes WAY more than that to be really good at golf.
 
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Golf vs Pool - My two favorites

I am both an avid golfer and an avid pool player. I own an indoor golf facility (4 indoor golf simulators) in upstate New York which has a separate section with 3 pool tables (an 8' and two 7'). While the weather is nice during the summer months, my attention and focus turns to the pool leagues that keep me in business. I have thousands of rounds of golf played each year and thousands of games of pool played each year...each one under the watchful eye of myself.

I started playing golf, because to me it was pool on a bigger stage...I know it sounds stupid, but stay with me... There is sooooo much similarity between the physics and geometry required to play both sports that if you actually look at those similarities, it's pretty amazing.

Left English on a cue ball = A Hook Shot in golf
Right English = A Slice
Topspin = Forward Spin
Draw on a cue ball = Backspin on a golf ball
Speed of the felt on a pool table = Speed of the greens

In pool, you have a stationary cue ball that you have to hit with a moving object (the cue) "grooved" in a correct "swing path". In golf, you have to hit a stationary golf ball with a moving object (the club) "grooved" in a correct "swing path".

The angle of deflection of the object ball coming off of the cue ball is the same as reading the break in the green to me.

Now to your question. When the sport of billiards has sponsers and retailers that spend BILLIONS on advertising to suck the general population into spending BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS on equipment like gof does, then pool may become as big as golf.

When you have corporate big-wigs (and anyone else involved in "corporate America") who want to waste half of their workday playing pool with their "good-ol-boy" network partners instead of playing golf...claiming it's "networking"...for half the day, then pool will be equal to golf in "excitement".

BE VERY CLEAR BOTH SPORTS ARE DEAR TO MY HEART. These are just a few thoughts I had on the subject...and just as always IMHO!
 
Step foot onto the hallowed grounds of Augusta National and it will all start to make sense to you..
 
Mikey - I guess we can debate this all day but it does not take skill to hit a ball far - it takes power. We're not talking about the skill required to play golf, just hitting the ball far vs running racks. I'm not implying that someone would do it right away neither but they would certainly do it faster than they would running 100's. Don't believe me, try it yourself, Go on a golf course and whack a ball 100 times and see how far you can hit it, now set up a break shot, and try 100 times to run 100 balls.....bet you won't even come close.

The problem with your comparison is that it's not apples to apples. Here is where I am drawing my conclusion from:

1 golf shot = 1 billiard shot
1 golf hole = 1 rack
1 round of golf = 1 set (or run in straight pool)

It would take far less time to teach a new player to pocket a very difficult billiard shot than it would to teach a new player to hit the ball long and straight... if the person is physically capable of hitting it long in the first place.

As stated in a previous post, you can play a golf hole perfectly and make a birdie, eagle, or hole in one on a par 3 (technically an eagle). You can also run a rack of 9-ball or make the 9 on the break. These two things are comparable.

Now to your example. You can run 100 on the pool table... you can also shoot an 8 under par round of 64 (par 72 course) for 18 holes of golf. There are many golfers who hit the ball far and can't come close to shooting under par on the golf course... Just like there are plenty of players who can pocket a ball with good shape on the next, but not come close to running 100. Both of these things are only done at a very high level.

Now, lets not forget that this post was about viewers... not players. When talking about viewers, you have to realize that you are trying to appeal to the most people possible. That is where advertising and money will come from.

Again, comparing apples to apples, if an average person has played pool 5 times before and has also picked up a golf club 5 times before, they would think that pool is easier. The sole reason they would think that is lack of knowledge. The objective to a beginning pool player (or recreational player) is to make THE ball into THE hole... not to make 100! That's crazy talk to them. The beginning pool player usually doesn't even know what 14.1 is. They are just trying to make a ball into a hole... they don't know enough to think past that yet. At the end of an hour or so, though, the beginner will be able to put a few balls into the pockets.

In golf, I've seen many beginners spend an hour or more at the driving range and leave happy that they were finally able to get the ball in the air! Sure, it was only for 20-30 yards... but they got it in the air. In the end, the main objective is to be able to hit the ball 400-500 yards in 2-3 shots, then putt the ball into a tiny hole in the ground. At first glance, the objective of the game is much more difficult than the objective in pool.

The main problem when talking about viewers (average viewers... not people who post on this forum, or follow the game), is that most of them lack the knowledge to realize that the objective of billiards extends far beyond making a ball in a hole. This is why the uneducated viewer would view billiards as "easier" than golf. It's also why they watch more golf. Nobody wants to watch something that they think they can do themselves. Heck... would you buy the next TAR stream if you knew every rack would take 6 innings and there would be no run outs? Heck no, we could go to the pool hall and do that ourselves. Remember, these viewers are the same people that say things like, "All pool is, is making the balls in the pockets... How hard is that?" or, "You are so lucky. Why are all your shots always straight in?" It's not about what sport IS easier... it's about what sport APPEARS easier to the general public.

Please don't misunderstand... I'm not debating, I'm explaining. There isn't even anything up for debate. We already know that golf is viewed as more entertaining. The sponsors, the money, the ratings, etc... prove that. Hopefully, one day, that can change and the public will start viewing billiards a bit more like we do. Until then, at least we can enjoy our streams, right?
 
I keep hearing that there's no money in Pool because the game isn't exciting enough, I guess they mean for the spectators. There's plenty of money in Golf and while I myself don't play it, though I watch it and understand it, There's no way anyone can tell me that Golf is more exciting than Pool!
So what's really wrong with our sport and why can't it thrive?

Great pool and success,
Jay
http://mypooljourney.blogspot.com/

You just can't compare the two. I love both, but golf is much more exciting than pool from a competitive standpoint. How many times does SVB drill a spectator in the middle of the back?:cool:
 
She can hit the sweet spot on a golf ball, but will NEVER hit it 350. I don't think some of you understand how far 350 yds is in golf.

Well...it just so happens that my sis won State Championship, in which she got to bring the cup back here..Also won longest drive against the men. I don't know what her longest is . But will ask, I would never say NEVER about human capabilities.
I think Tigers longest is 450.
 
I am both an avid golfer and an avid pool player. I own an indoor golf facility (4 indoor golf simulators) in upstate New York which has a separate section with 3 pool tables (an 8' and two 7'). While the weather is nice during the summer months, my attention and focus turns to the pool leagues that keep me in business. I have thousands of rounds of golf played each year and thousands of games of pool played each year...each one under the watchful eye of myself.

I started playing golf, because to me it was pool on a bigger stage...I know it sounds stupid, but stay with me... There is sooooo much similarity between the physics and geometry required to play both sports that if you actually look at those similarities, it's pretty amazing.

Left English on a cue ball = A Hook Shot in golf
Right English = A Slice
Topspin = Forward Spin
Draw on a cue ball = Backspin on a golf ball
Speed of the felt on a pool table = Speed of the greens

In pool, you have a stationary cue ball that you have to hit with a moving object (the cue) "grooved" in a correct "swing path". In golf, you have to hit a stationary golf ball with a moving object (the club) "grooved" in a correct "swing path".

The angle of deflection of the object ball coming off of the cue ball is the same as reading the break in the green to me.

Now to your question. When the sport of billiards has sponsers and retailers that spend BILLIONS on advertising to suck the general population into spending BILLIONS and BILLIONS and BILLIONS on equipment like gof does, then pool may become as big as golf.

When you have corporate big-wigs (and anyone else involved in "corporate America") who want to waste half of their workday playing pool with their "good-ol-boy" network partners instead of playing golf...claiming it's "networking"...for half the day, then pool will be equal to golf in "excitement".

BE VERY CLEAR BOTH SPORTS ARE DEAR TO MY HEART. These are just a few thoughts I had on the subject...and just as always IMHO!

Well , now that we have a formula to make pool progress...I agree with you on all these issues and similarities . I just started to take up golf , I'm not an avid player yet...right now I'm a livid player.
Good thing about just starting, I have no great aspirations...
As far as the Good ol' boy networking, it's easier to tell mama your going to network on the golf course opposed to " the pool room ".
 
great conversation

All of this conversation is fascinating. I do think people view golf as much more difficult than pool.

I'd prefer to think of pool and golf as different in the same way that fine art photography and painting are different. People look at great photos and think they can buy a camera and do the same (or buy an inexpensive cue stick and shoot pool), while the same people wouldn't run out and buy canvas and paints after visiting a gallery (or wouldn't necessarily buy golf clubs).

I think this statement is profound:

"You can market players like Jeanette and Jennifer and Jasmin...sell their sex appeal, etc. Or you can market the men with the wholesome, clean-cut images and nice physiques. But you really aren't going to reach people that aren't already interested in the game itself. Not until pool has it's breakthrough moment...a la Chris Moneymaker in the WSOP. And that moment can't be manufactured...it pretty much will have to happen on its own...and we don't know where and when and what it will take."

Kudos to Melissa.

All said is IMHO.
Karl
 
Maybe I'm bias because I love the game of Pool but as a spectator, I find golf to be extremely boring. So how is it that they are able to generate so much viewership and Income? and why after a hundred years has pool failed to become relevant in sports circles?

you can get 30,000 people to buy a ticket to watch golf and a space to watch it from.you can't get 300 people to buy a ticket to watch pool.if you did get 300 tickets sold they would not fit in the building.

bill
 
"You can market players like Jeanette and Jennifer and Jasmin...sell their sex appeal, etc. Or you can market the men with the wholesome, clean-cut images and nice physiques. But you really aren't going to reach people that aren't already interested in the game itself. Not until pool has it's breakthrough moment...a la Chris Moneymaker in the WSOP. And that moment can't be manufactured...it pretty much will have to happen on its own...and we don't know where and when and what it will take."

Kudos to Melissa.


Yes... tap...tap...tap!!!!

That is what happened with The Color of Money. Nobody could have seen that coming. It will take some kind of phenomenon to elevate the game.
 
Hmmmm

I am a golf course superintendent and scratch golfer. I love pool, but to many people it is just something to do to kill time, or mess around with. Golf is as addicting as anything out there, and unless you play, you just can't understand. It is the most difficult sport to play imo.

You can run a perfect rack in pool and beat anyone, but no one will ever shoot a perfect game of golf. It is a sport that will challenge you for a lifetime

Ummm, NO. Golf is not even in the top 10 sports in terms of difficulty. You mention in other posts that you could take someone new to pool and golf and they could run 100 balls before driving 350 yards.

And how many new folks to baseball could hit a 100 mph fastball or a 85 slider? NONE. Heck,doesn't Michelle Wie driver over 300 yards and she was not only a teenager but a "girl"?? You could search the country, world, planet or outerspace and not find a teenager to hit major league pitching. The eyesight, hand speed and hand eye coordination needed to determine the pitch when it leaves the pitchers hand, moving up, down, in or out, and at various MPH to "fool" the hitter, and only have a fraction of a second to decide to swing or not..... Sports Illustrated already made this argument and baseball was the TOUGHEST sport to play!!!! Golf was somewhere in the middle.

Granted, golf is probably more difficult that pool, but more than baseball or a dozen other sports not on your life. I can teach my grandmother to drill a 18 foot putt,drinking a wine cooler in sunny Florida before she could ever avoid a linebacker trying to "sack" her.

The ball doesn't move. You think Tiger Woods could ever be a professional QB, or a professional DH that hits 99mph pitches 500 feet ala Jim Thome or Alber Pujols? Or play shortstop in the majors or minors or anything in between. I do know a lot of pro athletes that can play some pretty serious golf though!! That is their recreation from playing the tough sports...they are having fun, reducing stress but still crushing balls and putting like masters.

Heck, when Ken Harrelson retired from baseball (due to knee problems) he turned pro in golf. He must of thought this was stealing after trying to hit 95mph sliders for a living...and only succeeding 30% of the time.

People like golf because they can do a lot of things the pros do, can buy the same stuff as the pros and the "older" guys can still play golf when we can't physically play baseball, football or hockey, etc anymore. Heck, I'm 48 and will take up golf eventually, but not until I can't do the other "thrilling"stuff still. Though I have played the game, there is no comparison to hitting a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth to hitting a stationary golf ball 325 yards...... When my buddy hits a nice drive, we say "hey nice drive" and get back in the cart and take the next shot. In baseball, after a grandslam, it is pandemonium !!!
 
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Frank...There are pool hustlers, golf hustlers...even bowling hustlers. Every sport has it's "bad boy" quotient.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Pool unfortunately still has a very negative image. When non pool players hear me talk about playing a pool tournament or pool in general they always say "Oh your a pool hustler". The big sponors wont support our sport because their customers are not asking them support our sport. The unsespecting wanna be pool player wonders in a pool hall with 50 bucks in his pocket to have a few drinks and play some pool gets hustled out of that 50 buck attaches that bad image to our sport. He tells his friends, hey lets go bowling instead. " I went played pool last week and lost money and didnt have that much fun doing it" Until someone figures out how to makover the image of pool, we will always be struggling for the big sponors and prime air time on ESPN. Just my humble 2 cents.

Frank C
 
You make some good points. That said, elderly people, even athletes, lose their edge after certain ages. We can find LOTS of 80-90 men who can play runout pool (Eddie Taylor banked 15 straight banks into his 80's). See if you can find that to be true in golfers, let alone any other sport.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

People like golf because they can do a lot of things the pros do, can buy the same stuff as the pros and the "older" guys can still play golf when we can't physically play baseball, football or hockey, etc anymore. Heck, I'm 48 and will take up gold eventually, but not until I can't do the other stuff still.
 
Opposite opinion

Pool is played at TOO high a level for the average player to have any willing suspension of disbelief while watching it. Add to that the editing out to make it more perfect than it was with past espn showings and that exacerbates that.

Jaden

Based on conversations I have had with "non-players" or what everyone here would consider bangers, I have a completely different opinion.

I believe that the issue is that the pros make it look so easy. Every shot is easy so people watching believe they could make too. They don't understand the precision it takes in order to get that position shot after shot after shot. So they walk away thinking it is nothing special because they could make those shots too (as long as someone else got them in that exact position).

People who play regularly understand how difficult it is to play perfect position shot after shot after shot. However, people that only play occasionally believe that if they practiced they could get that position too and make all of those easy shots the Pros do.
 
ChicagoRJ;2859470[U said:
]Ummm, NO. Golf is not even in the top 10 sports in terms of difficulty[/U]. You mention in other posts that you could take someone new to pool and golf and they could run 100 balls before driving 350 yards.

And how many new folks to baseball could hit a 100 mph fastball or a 85 slider? NONE. Heck,doesn't Michelle Wie driver over 300 yards and she was not only a teenager but a "girl"?? You could search the country, world, planet or outerspace and not find a teenager to hit major league pitching. The eyesight, hand speed and hand eye coordination needed to determine the pitch when it leaves the pitchers hand, moving up, down, in or out, and at various MPH to "fool" the hitter, and only have a fraction of a second to decide to swing or not..... Sports Illustrated already made this argument and baseball was the TOUGHEST sport to play!!!! Golf was somewhere in the middle.

Granted, golf is probably more difficult that pool, but more than baseball or a dozen other sports not on your life. I can teach my grandmother to drill a 18 foot putt,drinking a wine cooler in sunny Florida before she could ever avoid a linebacker trying to "sack" her.

The ball doesn't move. You think Tiger Woods could ever be a professional QB, or a professional DH that hits 99mph pitches 500 feet ala Jim Thome or Alber Pujols? Or play shortstop in the majors or minors or anything in between. I do know a lot of pro athletes that can play some pretty serious golf though!! That is their recreation from playing the tough sports...they are having fun, reducing stress but still crushing balls and putting like masters.

Heck, when Ken Harrelson retired from baseball (due to knee problems) he turned pro in golf. He must of thought this was stealing after trying to hit 95mph sliders for a living...and only succeeding 30% of the time.

People like golf because they can do a lot of things the pros do, can buy the same stuff as the pros and the "older" guys can still play golf when we can't physically play baseball, football or hockey, etc anymore. Heck, I'm 48 and will take up golf eventually, but not until I can't do the other "thrilling"stuff still. Though I have played the game, there is no comparison to hitting a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth to hitting a stationary golf ball 325 yards...... When my buddy hits a nice drive, we say "hey nice drive" and get back in the cart and take the next shot. In baseball, after a grandslam, it is pandemonium !!!

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Hmmm

This was the point I stopped reading

Yeah, I know. For one your are biased and work for a Golf course and because you know more than the experts at Sports Illustrated. And all the other folks how have played the tough sports and can actually compare them to Golf. I wanna see Tiger do what Favre did in his career. Heck, the guy never missed a game, played with so many different injuries, including a broken ankle. Tiger gets attacked by his wife one time and his complete game went in the toilet!!

Little old ladies play golf. Any baseball leagues out there for lil old ladies. Heck, any touch football games out there either ??

Dude, it's no offense to the game of golf, but you are the one who said Golf was the toughest. It's not, no biggie. Pool is not even in the top 25 probably, and it's my second favorite. I take no offense. Just the way it is. But Pool and Golf are two sports you can do a lot of drinking at the same time so it's all good. Pool will never be as big as Golf. No biggie. Doesn't have to be. It just has to "be".
 
She can hit the sweet spot on a golf ball, but will NEVER hit it 350. I don't think some of you understand how far 350 yds is in golf.

Ummm, I think it is 350 yards, give or take. I'll just go ask a teenage girl how far it is because she is mighty close. Or my buddy who hits 325 to 350 on a regular basis.

I mean, do you know how far a 550 foot homerun really is? I'll give you a hint: It's over 549 feet.

Heck, some of the best golfers on the planet don't hit it 350. So not really sure what your point is. DO they suck or just incompetent? Or both? But they still win major tournaments and are all millionaires and never hitting your magical 350 mark.
 
Hmmm

QUOTE: Travis13:
I am a golf course superintendent (yeah, so what?) and scratch golfer. (another big whatever, are we suppose to put our resumes here, I was not sure?

Golf is as addicting as anything out there (yeah, like pool guys are not completely engrossed in the game as well?? or baseball players or football players or anyone else that has a favorite sport) and unless you play, you just can't understand. It is the most difficult sport to play imo. LMAO
 
I can enjoy playing both pool and golf, but as far as watching it on television I think pool is far better imo.

With golf I am happy just to see the highlights. With pool I want to see the whole match.
 
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