Good hit? Or bad?
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You can probably answer your own question by your own experiences.
Have you ever miscued on a break that was so bad that the ball barely moved from the tip skimming and riding over the cue ball?
Have you ever miscued on a shot using extreme right or left English that the ball left the tip at a 45-degree (or more) angle?
Maybe I'm wrong, but these miscues are examples of how one is not a foul and the other is. Slow-motion video could prove me wrong I suppose.
Another question. How many of your opponents have called a foul on you after a miscue? So.....even if it's a foul it's not necessarily a foul, at least through the eyes of others.
FWIW, I've seen refereed professional pool matches where a player miscues and a foul wasn't called.....so there you go.
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Unintentional miscues are condoned as a legal shot provided that no other foul is committed. Many miscues involve the ferrule or the tip hitting the cue ball a second time. There are a few rare miscues where the second hit is clearly visible and those are considered a foul.
Apa does have a rule again't double hits and I am pretty sure you can see a second chalk mark on cue ball from second hit. Unless that is my phone playing tricks on me.
Slow motion it is easy to see. Live you would have to listen and watch the cue ball. It could be hard to detect.
Slow motion it is easy to see. Live you would have to listen and watch the cue ball. It could be hard to detect.
Hi Bob, he said he intentionally "swiped at it" so it's possible. I slowed the raw video down a bit more on my pc, and the tip for sure hit the ball twice.
We were playing one pocket, and his options were limited. Coming out from behind that ball would have been a worse disaster than taking a foul.
If the game was important enough that a disaster would have occurred, then why the heck was somebody standing over his shot recording it with their phone??? :scratchhead:
Maniac
Funny story Bob - I'm ref'ing a match at a tournament in Texas years ago between Lou Butera and Howard Vickery. It's early in the match (race to eleven) and Howard is jacked up, shooting over another ball to hit the cue ball. The object ball is buried in the corner pocket. He miscues and the cue ball rolls slowly across the table and bumps the object ball and it goes in. Lou yells out foul and I say no foul. I tell Lou that yes it was a miscue but we don't call those as fouls in 9-Ball. He is livid (the score was like 4-3 Howard) and Howard goes on to win the match something like 11-9.
After the match Lou blames me for the loss and won't speak to me for years afterward. He even barred me from his poolroom the first time I went out there. What's really weird is that we had been close friends and even had social get-together's with our families. Pool can be a strange game, bringing out the best and the worst in people. We finally "reconciled" years later when he so graciously said hello to me at the BCA Expo.
This was also posted in Onepocket.org, and I responded:
The video is in slow motion and I used stop frame but could not definitely see a double hit.
I could not actually see contact with the ferrule... maybe the side of the leather tip.
Didn't look like intentional miscue to me....but how do you really tell.
Doesn't the call favor the shooter if it is not obvious?
If I was the ref... no foul.
The video is in slow motion and I used stop frame but could not definitely see a double hit.
I could not actually see contact with the ferrule... maybe the side of the leather tip.
Didn't look like intentional miscue to me....but how do you really tell.
Doesn't the call favor the shooter if it is not obvious?
If I was the ref... no foul.
Neither of us are that easily sharked or bothered.
I took video so we could review the hit immediately afterwards. We both knew it was going to possibly be a foul.
We could not tell at the time, and he did not take the foul. After reviewing the video full sized and slower on my PC, it was very definitely a foul. The tip hits the ball twice.