Goodbye APA, it's been fun...

[APA Operator]

Well that's because I am ranked low. If I can control CB, know patterns, hit kicks and banks, beat levels 5-9 by landslides...I'd say a 4 is under ranked. I was a 5 for 30 mins, scores were entered for another league night that I won on and was dropped back to a 4. I've literally went undefeated and I've completely threw a whole session and STILL a 4. Looking around the whole league in different cities, there's over 100 4s, 43 5s, 34 6s, 19 7s, 13 8s and under 10 9s.

So yes, I complained to be moved up and no, I wasn't. Therefore, I'll quit and get a Fargo rate and actually compete with people and not sandbagging trash. My game is my game and won't be constrained to whatever some "ranking system" says I am.

So what you're saying is Fargo's not a ranking system?

You can believe your own BS if you want - nobody's holding you down. I know it for a fact. We can't. You're just bent out of shape because you think you're better than you are and your league operator disagrees.

 

[trob]

So what you're saying is Fargo's not a ranking system?

You can believe your own BS if you want - nobody's holding you down. I know it for a fact. We can't. You're just bent out of shape because you think you're better than you are and your league operator disagrees.

The lo I paid for would always ask new players what skill level they think they are and they would always say some high number and then not be able to put 3 balls together. I think the average guy playing in a bar doesn’t know what good is

 

[PoolIsScience]

So what you're saying is Fargo's not a ranking system?

You can believe your own BS if you want - nobody's holding you down. I know it for a fact. We can't. You're just bent out of shape because you think you're better than you are and your league operator disagrees.

Who said Fargo isn't a rating system? I am better than what the APA says I am for sure. I've beat my league operator . Cute name btw, next time calm down before you post sideways lol.

 

[mikepage]

Who said Fargo isn't a rating system? [...]

You said,

...Therefore, I'll quit and get a Fargo rate and actually compete [...]. My game is my game and won't be constrained to whatever some "ranking system" says I am.

I think APA Operator just saw a little irony here. He's kinda got a point...

 

[PoolIsScience]

Oh excuse me, it was in reference to the APA RANKING SYSTEM. How terribly wrong of me to make a human error. Me oh my.

 

[SBC]

This is repetitive from the APA. Two completely different parts of the state, same outcome. This one started different and then became the same thing. All in all it's a push by National to get into as many bars for as many nights so that the Operator doesn't lose their league. It's pitiful on APAs part and shows it's about money not about the actual whole reason it was started in the first place. They got greedy and push that they're the best league. Well no they're not. Best league would be a house league and every bar, pool hall, college whoever, should all have one. The hall I play at was supposed to have 2 nights of TAP, until the APA operator heard about it and made it another double Jeopardy night for 6 whopping teams. All because they have failed repeatedly to maintain at certain locations. There's no need to cram this broken system down my throat and we all should have options and it not be a monopoly of just APA.

Rant over

Anybody want to venture a guess at what APA central clears a year?
20 million?
Probably more.

Now tell me again how APA and league ops take isn't a drain on pool.

You are lucky enough to win they serve you up to the casinos, for more money.

 

[APA Operator]

Anybody want to venture a guess at what APA central clears a year?
20 million?
Probably more.

Now tell me again how APA and league ops take isn't a drain on pool.

You are lucky enough to win they serve you up to the casinos, for more money.

You speak as if the APA doesn't earn their money. You speak as if I don't earn my money. We give customers that for which they are willing to pay, and that doesn't make either of us a drain. Think about this - very little of the money APA makes would otherwise go to anyone in the billiards industry. You're chasing a red herring, tilting at windmills. Chew on that for a while. We compete with the likes of bowling, darts, softball, and movies - not you, or CSI, or TAP, or any other billiards organization. That's where the money (and the people) would go in our absence. It's not like there would be $20M (your number) for the rest of pool if APA didn't exist - that money would never be seen by anyone in the billiards industry. We make our money from serving the needs of those housewives you hold in such low esteem, people with whom you want nothing to do. The rest of the industry wouldn't get that money anyway, so why begrudge APA for working hard to find it in the first place?

THAT'S how APA and league ops take isn't a drain on pool. It's a drain on bowling, darts, movies, CORNHOLE (for Pete's sake), but not on pool. If anything, APA is a resource for the rest of the industry to use. We are just a rung in the ladder (near the bottom, nothing wrong with that), and we can't help it if some of the other rungs are broken.

 

[trob]

Anybody want to venture a guess at what APA central clears a year?
20 million?
Probably more.

Now tell me again how APA and league ops take isn't a drain on pool.

You are lucky enough to win they serve you up to the casinos, for more money.

Yup. They are in fact a business. I know someone making money off of pool is a scary idea to people like you but your never going to get anyone to invest in pool if there is no profit in it.

 

[SBC]

You speak as if the APA doesn't earn their money. You speak as if I don't earn my money. We give customers that for which they are willing to pay, and that doesn't make either of us a drain. Think about this - very little of the money APA makes would otherwise go to anyone in the billiards industry. You're chasing a red herring, tilting at windmills. Chew on that for a while. We compete with the likes of bowling, darts, softball, and movies - not you, or CSI, or TAP, or any other billiards organization. That's where the money (and the people) would go in our absence. It's not like there would be $20M (your number) for the rest of pool if APA didn't exist - that money would never be seen by anyone in the billiards industry. We make our money from serving the needs of those housewives you hold in such low esteem, people with whom you want nothing to do. The rest of the industry wouldn't get that money anyway, so why begrudge APA for working hard to find it in the first place?

THAT'S how APA and league ops take isn't a drain on pool. It's a drain on bowling, darts, movies, CORNHOLE (for Pete's sake), but not on pool. If anything, APA is a resource for the rest of the industry to use. We are just a rung in the ladder (near the bottom, nothing wrong with that), and we can't help it if some of the other rungs are broken.

All these organizations are a drain on whatever sport they are involved in....from pickleball to USA Hockey...just certify everything for a price.

League is a shadow of what pool was or should be. Nobody is gonna write a book or make a movie about an apa 4 going to Vegas. Nobody was ever supposed to make a living running a pool league....that is the problem.

 

[Atorontopoolplayer]

Apa catches so much flak, some for good reason but a lot of people just expecting way too much from them.
It's very clearly geared towards lower level players, not the 600+ Fargo players

 

[APA Operator]

All these organizations are a drain on whatever sport they are involved in....from pickleball to USA Hockey...just certify everything for a price.

League is a shadow of what pool was or should be. Nobody is gonna write a book or make a movie about an apa 4 going to Vegas. Nobody was ever supposed to make a living running a pool league....that is the problem.

You say drain. I say source. It's good to know that you know what pool should be. But you didn't answer any of the questions I asked. If APA is a drain on pool, pretend they didn't exist and tell me who in pool would get that money and why?

 

[SBC]

You say drain. I say source. It's good to know that you know what pool should be. But you didn't answer any of the questions I asked. If APA is a drain on pool, pretend they didn't exist and tell me who in pool would get that money and why?

Maybe drain isn't the right word.

Blight?

 

[Cuedup]

It's a social league that caters to bangers. It's right there in the name.

The more players playing in league , any league, is a good thing for pool.

 

[APA Operator]

Maybe drain isn't the right word.

Blight?

Lets address that word then. If they weren't there, pool would grow how? That's what a blight does, right, restrict growth?

 

[trob]

So

All these organizations are a drain on whatever sport they are involved in....from pickleball to USA Hockey...just certify everything for a price.

League is a shadow of what pool was or should be. Nobody is gonna write a book or make a movie about an apa 4 going to Vegas. Nobody was ever supposed to make a living running a pool league....that is the problem.

I guess we should get rid of golf leagues , bowling leagues etc? Then none of us who enjoy competing and think gambling is stupid will be able to compete so we won’t play anymore. Great idea.

Who gives a shit about writing a book about an amateur? What the hell are you even talking about lol who cares. I don’t need anyone to write a book or movie about me. I just want to go play pool with my friends and enjoy the game I’ve loved for 40 years. Smh

 

[cookie man]

Maybe a few pros should start there own league for amateur players. Use it as a feeder system all the while funding pro tournaments. That way it’s done right and the money goes back to the players.

 

[Cuedup]

Maybe a few pros should start there own league for amateur players. Use it as a feeder system all the while funding pro tournaments. That way it’s done right and the money goes back to the players.

I tried out Mike Segals UBL a few years ago.

It was , uh , goofy.

 

[APA Operator]

Maybe a few pros should start there own league for amateur players. Use it as a feeder system all the while funding pro tournaments. That way it’s done right and the money goes back to the players.

Uh, APA WAS founded by a couple of pros. And you got the direction of the money flow wrong. MLB, NFL, NBA, PGA all get their money from fans and sponsors, while supporting the amateur organizations in part.

 

[cookie man]

Uh, APA WAS founded by a couple of pros. And you got the direction of the money flow wrong. MLB, NFL, NBA, PGA all get their money from fans and sponsors, while supporting the amateur organizations in part.

Lol. You can’t compare pool leagues with mlb nfl nba pga at this point at all. But if several pros took it on and built it from the ground up it could work. The end result would be a professional pool organization that hopefully would pick up sponsors and fans to help support the cause.
I’ve also heard that this was the original concept of the apa but somewhere along the lines the money never went back into pro pool. Imagine where pro pool would be if it did.

 

[APA Operator]

Lol. You can’t compare pool leagues with mlb nfl nba pga at this point at all. But if several pros took it on and built it from the ground up it could work. The end result would be a professional pool organization that hopefully would pick up sponsors and fans to help support the cause.
I’ve also heard that this was the original concept of the apa but somewhere along the lines the money never went back into pro pool. Imagine where pro pool would be if it did.

Lol. You say BACK into pro pool like that's where the money started. That's my whole point - the money APA makes is a result of the work done by its founders and league operators, and would never be otherwise spent on pool.