Gorst returns to international play

skogstokig

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Someone correct me if I’m wrong (which I’m sure they will). Concerning who is the better player, when Ruiz won the World 9ball, Gorst was banned. Kind of waters down the title when the main competition is banned. When Ruiz won the 8 ball with Gorst in the field, Gorst had primarily been playing in the bar table tournaments. It was obvious he was not at his best when he returned to the 9 footer. Even so, it was Gorst, according to one of the announcers during the World 10 ball, that put Ruiz in the loser’s bracket. The 10 ball championship was the best indication of how close they are. Ruiz getting the W, in one of the best matches I’ve seen. Again referring to one of the commentators, in head to head competition, they are pretty even. Take your pick.

both played in the 2022 DCC 9b, US open 9b, world 8b, world 10b, with FSR winning or placing above fedor in each.

even prior to the period he wasn't able to play, and after, gorst hasn't won a predator world event or a matchroom open event, whereas FSR has won both of these brands of big time events.

i'd say they are pretty equal but FSR has an edge at the moment.
 

mikepage

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both played in the 2022 DCC 9b, US open 9b, world 8b, world 10b, with FSR winning or placing above fedor in each.

even prior to the period he wasn't able to play, and after, gorst hasn't won a predator world event or a matchroom open event, whereas FSR has won both of these brands of big time events.

i'd say they are pretty equal but FSR has an edge at the moment.

If you look at all their play in the last year, Gorst has played 2967 games; Ruiz has played 2283 games; and Filler has played 1701 games.

Performance rating is
Gorst 850.2
Ruiz 847.7
Filler 844.4

then a dozen-point gap to anybody else

These three are pretty close
 

skogstokig

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If you look at all their play in the last year, Gorst has played 2967 games; Ruiz has played 2283 games; and Filler has played 1701 games.

Performance rating is
Gorst 850.2
Ruiz 847.7
Filler 844.4

then a dozen-point gap to anybody else

These three are pretty close

winning with big margins against lower fargos vs winning with lesser margins against higher fargos? or however your system works. i count W:s and trophies
 

skogstokig

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Why knock it if you don't understand it? The system has been proven pretty accurate.

the question was sincere enough. ruiz would have had tougher opposition, and he hasn't lost much. how do you explain the difference then, if not bigger win margins?
 

mikepage

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the question was sincere enough. ruiz would have had tougher opposition, and he hasn't lost much. how do you explain the difference then, if not bigger win margins?
Yes, Gorst faced lower competition on average and therefore needed a larger win margin to be performing similarly to Sanchez Ruiz. We can break it down in a way that both shows the range of competition each faced in the last year and also that shows their win percentages are similar when viewed against similar competition. The bar heights are the number of games each has played in the last year against opponents in different skill ranges.

As you can see from the bar heights, Sanchez Ruiz has more top-heavy competition. However, the humber of games each has played against top-100-type opponents (i.e., 770 and over) is not that different. The percentages reflect their game-wins against each group. These two are performing similarly and at a very high level, in an exclusive club that includes only them and Filler.


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pwd72s

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Bottom line...when we see matchups between FSR & Gorst, it's bound to be epic! Shades of Earl-Efren epic...
 

BRussell

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FYI, he posted this on facebook. Note the part where he talks about playing for the USA one day.

It’s been a little over a year since the time I flew in to the United States and I wanted to say thanks to everyone that was involved in the process of me getting back on the tour.

Jason and Alan Sword made a huge impact on my career and life here, thanks a lot to them for always being in my corner! Norma Henning, my attorney along with so many different people from our industry did everything they could to help me with the process of legalizing in the US. I want to say special thanks to Michael Panozzo, WPA, AZBilliards, Mark Wilson, Diamond, CueTec, Michael Page and many many more for helping us along the process!

I’m still in the process of getting my green card and hopefully I will get it this year. I know you all want me to play for 🇺🇸 one day, well if that happens we will be one step closer to this to happen. Not much else to say for now! Love you all and thanks for y’all support!
 

Justaneng

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FYI, he posted this on facebook. Note the part where he talks about playing for the USA one day

The way it looks, the 2030 US Mosconi team is going to be:

Gorst
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A 50 point Fargo Gap
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SVB and Woodward, plus one slot for a 20-something newcomer that we dont know the name of yet
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A 75 point Fargo gap
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A nearly 70 year old Earl Strickland
 

jay helfert

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Yep. It is at least a 5 year wait to become a citizen after you get a green card. I'm not certain that Russia still allows its citizens to hold dual citizenship with the US or that Fedor has ever said he will become a US citizen.
Eighteen months to two years is normal to get your "Conditional" Green card, which is good for two years. During the last six months of that period you can now apply for a Permanent Green card, which is actually good for ten years (similar to a passport in that respect). It can take another two years to get that, and it's tricky to leave and re-enter the country after the original probationary period (two years) is over. All you will have to show Immigration is an expired Green card and a piece of paper from Immigration that says you have applied for a Permanent Green card. We were advised to wait until my wife had her Permanent green card to visit the Philippines. All together it took her nearly five years to get "Permanent" status here.

She could now apply to be a U.S. citizen, but that is another long process that I feel is unneccessary. She now has a social security card, a California ID, her own bank account, a credit card and she is co-owner of our new home. You basically have equal rights as a U.S citizen, except you can't vote or serve on a jury.

After ten years (actually you can apply with six months to go), you can apply for a new Green card, just like applying for a new passport. The replacement takes a month or so, and you're good for another ten years.
 
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Swighey

AzB Silver Member
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Maybe, but if history repeats, he won't. Parica, Thorston, Mika, both Fischer's, Shaw, and others I'm forgetting, have lived in the USA for decades (except Shaw). They still represent their home countries during international competition.
I think at the time it made all kinds of sense for Parica to represent his own country. For the others, although they have lived in the USA for long periods of time, there is no real advantage for them to become US citizens (although some might have done so ??? - because an extra passport is never a bad thing - but it's just a travel document).

It's a bit different with Gorst because a US passport makes his life and making a living so much easier and allows him to play on his own terms - and it sits closer to the heart than a mere travel document. He did say recently that he might represent the USA so I think we may well see him playing for them in the Mosconi Cup one day.
 

skogstokig

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why does he have to be a citizen to play for the US team though? it's just a tv-show ffs.

if he wants to play for the US (a financially unsound decision to begin with 😉) just let him
 

L.S. Dennis

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Eighteen months to two years is normal to get your "Conditional" Green card, which is good for two years. During the last six months of that period you can now apply for a Permanent Green card, which is actually good for ten years (similar to a passport in that respect). It can take another two years to get that, and it is tricky to leave and re-enter the country after the original probationary period (two years) is over. All you will have to show Immigration is an expired Green card and a piece of paper from Immigration that says you have applied for a Permanent Green card. We were advised to wait until my wife had her Permanent green card to visit the Philippines. All together it took her nearly five years to get "Permanent" status here.

She could now apply to be a U.S. citizen, but that is another long process that I feel is unneccessary. She now has a social security card, a California ID, her own bank account, a credit card and she is co-owner of our new home. You basically have equal rights as a U.S citizen, except you can't vote or serve on a jury.

After ten years (actually you can apply with six months to go), you can apply for a new Green card, just like applying for a new passport. The replacement takes a month or so, and you're good for another ten years.
I can attest to everything Jay says here, having had two foreign born wives myself.
 
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