Great unknown roadies

Tommy-D said:
> Is George Kieselat the one they call Chicken George?

Yup, that's him.

He's black balled from most tournaments cause he IS to good to be allowed in them..

They call him Chicken George for 2 reasons....

1. He's to scared to go PRO althought he is Easily good enough too.

2. He is scared to gamble with people he thinks he may loose to, or even have a Small chance to loose too...
 
tedkaufman said:
I'd have to agree about Stevie. I had never heard of him till I moved to SC. For that matter, Tony Watson is another who stays under the radar. Larry Nevel is another who's ability far exceeds his fame. By the way, congrats to Stevie and Larry on making the IPT. Guess they won't stay a secret much longer.

Back in NY, Joe Fratey (sp?) is a world class 9-ball player, who maintains a low profile. I know of lots of pros who don't go out of their way to match up with Joe.

Mike, when are we going to hook up? How can I find you?

Joe Frady was quite a good player but he is 56 or so now and even when he played his best, Ginky beat him like a drum and i saw Parica give him the 7 and torture him.
 
Voodoo Daddy said:
Not quite...he was in South Florida twice. I spoke to him at length and remember him well. I wont give up his M.O. cause it aint my way but he can play!!!


Thanks. That's the line we have on him also.........randyg
 
overated

Jedi V Man said:
Yup, that's him.

He's black balled from most tournaments cause he IS to good to be allowed in them..

They call him Chicken George for 2 reasons....

1. He's to scared to go PRO althought he is Easily good enough too.

2. He is scared to gamble with people he thinks he may loose to, or even have a Small chance to loose too...




You overate chicken george's game. they call him chicken geroge because he wont play over hundred dollar sets. He is also not under radar as well. He is know by alot of people..........................
 
cueball1950 said:
there was an african american man that came up thru the north east playing 1 pocket that impressed the heck out of our resident 1 pocket players. He was unknown north of Fla and ALA & georgia....just remembered his name....Monster John....dam good 1 pocket player............mike

He just knocked off a couple of 9 ball tournies in Fl the last month or so also.

No youngster either.He is scary.
 
vagabond said:
He is rotting in the prison.I ran into him in Dallas in mid 90s and he asked me for a game and I declined to play him.He is actually from Houston.

Gabby was beaten to death in prison about a year ago.
 
Leil gay said:
You need a separate forum to promote your book.just kidding you might be the best Unknown because i didn't know you, what about Mexican Johnny?

Johnny was a good player and pllayed most games pretty well.
Met him in Denver 20 years ago and he introduced me to Harness Racing. He kept me busted through the whole season. We finally hit a race for about $7000 and I told Mexican Johnny, good bye.
 
Black-Balled said:
c'mon, man! Horses gots to eat too!;)

Johnny came from the Chicago area and was pretty familiar with Harness Racing. It was the first season Colorado had hosted Harness racing Johnny considered himself quite and expert and I bit into it hook, line, and sinker!
He kept talking about this horse, named Gary Boy and what a great horse (at one time) he had been.
Fianally he ran on like a Friday Night and i bet like $20 on him and he won and paid like $18, so I got back around $180 and was pretty happy back in 1975. What is disturbing is that now I'm listening to Johnny on every race.
The next day, Johnny is really howling about a horse named Adios Indian. This horse can really fly he keeps telling me.
I bet on Adios Indian 3 times and he keeps getting caught at the wire. I didn't lose a lot, because I didn't have much, but in those days every $20 bill was precious.
One Sunday afternoon, Adios Indian is on the card and Johnny tells me all night at the all night pool room that this is our chance to pump up and get enough to go on the road. I bit, hook, line, and sinker.
We had just beaten some player out of like $300 and this was our chance.
We stay up all night and get to the track Sunday afternoon and sit around for hours waiting for the race to tap out on Adios Indian.
Finally it is race time and mysteriously to me, Adios Indian goes off at 14-1.Skeptical, but still, all I can see are $$$$$$.
We bet it all! $100 on his nose, and $100 to place. for $50 we wheel and back wheel him in the exacta. I figure we are looking at at least $2500- $3000The race starts and as ususal Adios Indian goes right to the front and is running beautifully. Money in the bank
With about 50-80 yards to go, the driver is beating the hell out of the Indian and he just seems to give up. Two horses catch him at the wire and he gets 3rd by a nose.
Now, I'm heartbroken and sitting in the grand stand dreaming about what almost was. In the seat right beside me was a copy of the Denver post, Sunday sports section with a story about a horse named Adios Indian. I picked up and started to read all about the incredible BLIND pacer. I am about to go "OFF THEAIR" and search and search and finally find Joohnny and show him the article about the POOR BLIND SOB I JUST WENT BUSTED ON.
I ask Johnny if he knew this horse was blind and he assured me that everybody in the free world knew that. "Why did you let me go busted on a blind horse"? I demanded
Johnny says, " I didn't think it made any difference, it ain't like he was playing 9-ball!"
All in all, Johnny was quite a guy and a grind it out scuffler who played all games, pretty darn well..
 
Great story ironman!

Mike Mason, cmon man share a few Vlahos road stories...
 
under the radar players

anybody familiar with billy pay (one eyed willy),was talking with rick garrison saturday and he said billy was top notch,heard he gave tommy stephens the eight and drilled him like a dentist?
 
Nicky Vlahos...

Uwate - nice to hear from you...love that dog avatar...like I said, I've got a million Nicky stories...but not the road kind...except what Nicky told me of that. Nicky played at my pool room throughout the 70's from when I was a part time worker to owner. We got to be good friends, and when I sold the business we had time to do other things...like the tennis.

I have a lot to say about Nicky and will testify to his talent...but for road stories...maybe rgbigfish can convince Nicky's old road partner over there in Melbourne (who is also a very good friend from those days and who I see all too infrequently) to supply us with action tales. I can tell you what Nicky told me but our friend in Melbourne can provide first hand road tales.

cueball1950 - nice of you to think of Nicky when you saw the title of this thread. You know that Nicky was called 'The Indian' for quite a while because he wore his long straight black hair tied down by a headband. It's funny that you mention that car with the lawn chair for a seat. I remember that car. You mention the property he bought with some of his winnings. They were in Lynn, MA and he thought he was getting into some easy money...buy the property, fix it up a little, rent it out, and collect the money. Well he worked very hard throughout the whole thing. While he was getting a property into shape he used to stop by the pool room on his way home. He wore white work clothes and was always covered with dust. One day he showed me his hands and they were terribly rough and blistered and bleeding. I used to like to challenge him to a game of straight pool for $20...you might not believe me but I won some games...not many but some...well I saw his hands rough and he was beat tired so I said that if he washed his hands of the blood that was on them that I would like to ruin his day some more to the tune of twenty bucks. He hadn't picked up a stick in months and I felt like I had him here. I broke and Nicky ran 147 off the break...and he didn't miss - he hit the ball hard and it hit a piece of chalk before ramming a cluster and flew off the table...and he was upset by it...

vagabond - You talk of how Nicky took an interest in you. He had a way of asking people about what was important in their lives and they knew he was really interested. I'm sure he was rooting for you to be your best. Seems you were lucky enough to see Nicky in action. I'm not sure but I think it's Providence where they have an annual Nick Vlahos Memorial tournament. I always tell myself that I'll make a pilgrimage there one day.

The Kiss - Nicky was always the last man to enter the pool room on tournament day. Everyone wondered if they had a chance to win the tournament and whispers got louder as the start time approached...is Nicky coming??...he was out in the car probably eating an apple just knowing so many were sweating if he would play. Or brushing his teeth. He had perfect rows of white teeth that he was fanatical about keeping clean. There were always a few groans when he showed. Once at a tournament I went to the rest room down back...the TD had called Nicky's name a few times and everyone was wondering where he was...I found him face to face in a mirror on a post...when he showed at the table for his match I asked him if he wanted to tell the audience where he was that he couldn't hear his name being called...he said he was combing his eyebrows and just didn't hear.

To be continued...
 
Smorgass Bored said:
Was Mexican Johnny the player that did magic and card tricks and wanted to be a Magician ?
Doug

Not that I remember.
He was a very good one handed player and he also used to hustle the bars with cast on his arm, which he could remove. But, I don't remember any of the Magician ambitions, though this was back around 1975.
 
Joe Salazar

Years ago, Joe Salazar was a heck of a player who was able to keep a pretty low profile himself.
It is amazing to listen to not only some of the players he played, but just how many he beat.
Joe now lives in the Dallas area and has one of the nicest cue collections in the country.
 
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