Grip Hand Turning Under At End Of Follow Through

BRKNRUN said:
So the "Home Position" thread got me to thinking about a happening in my stroke that I have not seemed to find a way to cure.

It is not a problem.....but is is.

When I follow through (after impact) I have a tendancy on power type strokes to turn my hand under and toward my body. Since my hand moves toward my body the tip moves off line away from my body.

It does not happen on soft or medium srokes....and really never happens when I use an open bridge since the open bridge lends itself to no more than medium speed.....It "usually" happens on force follow shots.

I have tried different grips and have even tried the more traditional taught grip using the first finger and thumb. That actually makes it worse.

Since it happens after impact, I pretty much always dismissed it as a problem....However the reality is...it probably could be a problem and a cause for a mis if it happend before impact.

My recent ramp up of working on fundamentals...grip/stance/posture/alignment has me adressing this issue to see if I can fix it through one of the four fundamentals above.

Anyone else ever have/had this problem and found a "fix" to get rid of it?

I did notice while watching Billiards on TV that the Grip thumb of a couple players at impact is pointing at the ground ....after impact it moved to where it points down the aim line at the finish of the stroke....
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I have tried every grip, every stance, etc. - for years. The only thing that works for me is to have a big pause on your backswing. Then, and only then for me, it seems easier to throw the cue straight through the object ball without twising my wrist. I just hold the cue with a light grip that seems natural for me.
 
BRKNRUN said:
So the "Home Position" thread got me to thinking about a happening in my stroke that I have not seemed to find a way to cure.

It is not a problem.....but is is.

When I follow through (after impact) I have a tendancy on power type strokes to turn my hand under and toward my body. Since my hand moves toward my body the tip moves off line away from my body.

It does not happen on soft or medium srokes....and really never happens when I use an open bridge since the open bridge lends itself to no more than medium speed.....It "usually" happens on force follow shots.

I have tried different grips and have even tried the more traditional taught grip using the first finger and thumb. That actually makes it worse.

Since it happens after impact, I pretty much always dismissed it as a problem....However the reality is...it probably could be a problem and a cause for a mis if it happend before impact.

My recent ramp up of working on fundamentals...grip/stance/posture/alignment has me adressing this issue to see if I can fix it through one of the four fundamentals above.

Anyone else ever have/had this problem and found a "fix" to get rid of it?

I did notice while watching Billiards on TV that the Grip thumb of a couple players at impact is pointing at the ground ....after impact it moved to where it points down the aim line at the finish of the stroke....
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I had this problem a couple of years ago. As funny as it sounds I used a wrist support for bowling ( very stiff one ) to practice with. A few days of that and the bad habit was gone.
 
allenjktx said:
I had this problem a couple of years ago. As funny as it sounds I used a wrist support for bowling ( very stiff one ) to practice with. A few days of that and the bad habit was gone.
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The Pro-Shot Glove works very well for this. I tried playing without it a few days ago and noticed a big improvement on extreme draw and follow shots.
 
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whitewolf said:
I have tried every grip, every stance, etc. - for years. The only thing that works for me is to have a big pause on your backswing. Then, and only then for me, it seems easier to throw the cue straight through the object ball without twising my wrist. I just hold the cue with a light grip that seems natural for me.
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You probably know shorty Henson he won my bothers memorial super 7 tury at Laurel champions many times one of the best amature players in our area for years , he turns his hand in, I practiced that on shots dead straight on and it improved my percentage noticeably when shooting hard , I dont know why it works that way for me but it does but thats the only shot I do that with



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Spidey,

not sure about..but: Imo you start your *slide shot* (let me call it so) also with *having a grip*- and just slide it after you have your highest acceleration- that s what i m thinkin how this works for you? or am i wrong and misunderstood you?
Because in that case it s nothing else like another person would do it- with a pendulum stroke it would start exactly the same way-just different would be, that i wouldn t let the cue slide and pull the break-cue out off the foot-rail after the break :p
 
softshot...The finish refers to the grip hand AND the tip. They are not independent. The key in your post here is your word "slightly". I would agree that if the tip finishes less than an inch ahead or behind your natural finish point, it's no big deal. However, if your cue is sliding 2-4" or more, there could be some problems. I'm not saying it doesn't work for you. I am saying I don't think that's what Randy taught you, and that's not what's referred to in the video. The key points about the shooting template involve where you grip the cue, how long your bridge is, how your grip hand finishes against your body, and where your tip finishes past the cb. These are all measurable things, and they stay the same for all normal SOP shots.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

softshot said:
a finish position refers to the grip hand NOT the TIP... my hand finishes in the same spot every time.. the tip ends up where ever the heck it ends up..

if moves slightly farther on fast shots... it moves slightly less on slow shots...who cares about the tip... my hand finishes in the same spot each time.. and as long as my grip hand does not influence the cue vector.. the grip hand has done it's job

I'm not going to add an arbitrary additional motion just to land my tip on an irrelevant pre determined spot .... I stop worrying about my cue at the moment of impact..

my stroke is going to finish and my tip ends up where ever the heck it ends up.
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Ratta said:
Spidey,

not sure about..but: Imo you start your *slide shot* (let me call it so) also with *having a grip*- and just slide it after you have your highest acceleration- that s what i m thinkin how this works for you? or am i wrong and misunderstood you?
Because in that case it s nothing else like another person would do it- with a pendulum stroke it would start exactly the same way-just different would be, that i wouldn t let the cue slide and pull the break-cue out off the foot-rail after the break :p
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Sliding is good and works for me. A nice linen wrap is prob ideal for that. I have a wrapless cue that sometimes makes sliding a little tough. I'm not knocking pendulum strokes as 90% of my shots are prob just that. It's beneficial to be open to different stroking techniques.
 
allenjktx said:
I had this problem a couple of years ago. As funny as it sounds I used a wrist support for bowling ( very stiff one ) to practice with. A few days of that and the bad habit was gone.
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I did think of that before and went to try it...I got out my bowling glove and started to put it on....then it hit me.....I bowl right handed.....shoot pool left handed.....Dohhhh!!!!:p


I think part of the cause (that I can't figure out how to avoid) is that after impact my arm/hand starts to move up.....as it moves up the butt of the cue...(that part that sticks out the back of my grip hand) bottoms out so to speak on the back part of my hand....this (I think) causes me to turn my hand inward to "avoid" the bottoming out and let me continue a follow through....when my hand turns inward the tip will then "dive to the left"

I have checked (as RandyG mentioned) to see if I was 90 at impact....I feel like I am probably just a hair forward at impact....I set up just off the ball at 90 but impact would probably mean I am a hair forward....I have tried moving my hand back a hair but it did not do anything as far as fixing the "turn in" at the end.....what it does do is change the timing of my stroke....It is hard to explain but there is a "release" feeling at impact when the timing of the stoke feels right....If my hand is too far back it makes me feel like the "release" is late.....
 
whitewolf said:
I have now been watching Sigel for months at Chalmpion Billiards in Frederick. He ABSOLUTELY does not turn his wrist on the follow through. The cue is delivered perfectly straight.
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Well guess i may be wrong i only been watching Mike for 30yrs under all conditions.
RAY MARTIN
 
ghostball said:
Don't worry about it Mike Sigel does the same thing and he plays damm good.
RAY MARTIN
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It just dawned on me......Your book is the very first pool book I ever read.....I even learned my initial grip and stance from your book.....I evolved it to favor much more the middle finger than the first finger.

I also to this day have not found a better 1 rail banking method than the system you show in your book....I have termed it the "mini mirror" system.
 
ghostball said:
Well guess i may be wrong i only been watching Mike for 30yrs under all conditions.
RAY MARTIN
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6BBy5PR54Q&feature=related

You know, I don't believe you are the real Ray Martin. Everyone go watch this youtube film of Mike Sigel and then tell me if you think Mike turns his wrist inward.

If you are the real Ray Martin, I loved your book, but when it comes to watching and observing pool players, you don't pay much attention to detail IMO.
 
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