Haley/McDaniel trade?

axlrose

axlrose

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I purchased the cue in the link below from Marcus Solt in early July.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=66770&highlight=haley

It is in the same condition as listed, and is a beautiful cue, but I am very interested in the Kun Fang Lee cue by Bill McDaniel. I owned one several years ago and have wished a number of times I had it back. If you aren't sure what cue I am talking about, it can be seen in the McDaniel section of www.cueaddicts.com, second cue from the top. I would be looking for one in like new condition, 13 mm shafts, with the inlaid ring work at the joint, matching caps, leather or, preferably, lizard wrap and in the 19.5 ounce range. I am pretty rigid on what I am looking for in this case, and am not looking to vary from it. If you have this cue and would be interested in possibly making a trade deal for my Haley, please PM here or email at rfrisbee@telus.net. By the way, I live in British Columbia, Canada, so there would be cross-border shipping. If no mutually satisfactory deals can be worked out, no sweat. I will probably give Jess a call and see about ordering one.

Thank you,
Ryan
 
axlrose said:
I purchased the cue in the link below from Marcus Solt in early July.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=66770&highlight=haley

It is in the same condition as listed, and is a beautiful cue, but I am very interested in the Kun Fang Lee cue by Bill McDaniel. I owned one several years ago and have wished a number of times I had it back. If you aren't sure what cue I am talking about, it can be seen in the McDaniel section of www.cueaddicts.com, second cue from the top. I would be looking for one in like new condition, 13 mm shafts, with the inlaid ring work at the joint, matching caps, leather or, preferably, lizard wrap and in the 19.5 ounce range. I am pretty rigid on what I am looking for in this case, and am not looking to vary from it. If you have this cue and would be interested in possibly making a trade deal for my Haley, please PM here or email at rfrisbee@telus.net. By the way, I live in British Columbia, Canada, so there would be cross-border shipping. If no mutually satisfactory deals can be worked out, no sweat. I will probably give Jess a call and see about ordering one.

Thank you,
Ryan
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Hi Ryan,

We might go to BC this year or early next year..maybe we can shoot some pool there and to see your awesome cues :)

Jun
 
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Hey Axl, why would you want to trade a Haley, for a McDaniel?!?!?:confused:
Please, this is no disrespect to Mr. McDaniel's work; however, if we are talking about Ron Haley, "I make less than 20 cues a year and I don't take orders." Ron Haley, why on earth, would you want to trade it!?!?!? Doesn't McDaniel make this cue, as one of his consistent high end designs or is it one-of-a-kind cue? I could have sworn I've seen this cue a few times. To each his own I know, and the cue is very nice, but man...trading a Ron Haley for it, I don't understand?:confused: :o
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK............ I WOULD TAKE A HALEY OVER A McDANIEL WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT IT.
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...and if I did think about it, I'd probably end up laughing my ass off at the notion.

Ron makes some of the most beautiful, elegant looking cues out there that play incredibly well. He is certainly one of the most underrated cuemakers out there today who makes an incredible product.

And while his production is limited, he does take orders. And his prices are pretty reasonable.

As for Bill McDaniel, from everything I've seen, he has about 4 designs. And the play is mediocre.
 
Well,ask Karen or Nick,or any of the other Champions who won MAJOR titles with Bill's cues,and were not paid a dime to use them. They sought him out. I think I read somewhere about how a truly fine Billiard Instrument in the upper eschelon players hands make them even better.
 
The model he seeks is also one used by Challenge of Champion's winner Kung Fang Lee. You can put any cue in a mediocre players hands,such as yourself,and remain a mediocre player at best.
 
hangemhigh said:
Well,ask Karen or Nick,or any of the other Champions who won MAJOR titles with Bill's cues,and were not paid a dime to use them. They sought him out. I think I read somewhere about how a truly fine Billiard Instrument in the upper eschelon players hands make them even better.
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Is that why Alison and Earl play with Cuetec's? And Jeremy Jones plays with a Lucasi because its a "truly fine billiard instrument", right?

And correct me if I'm wrong but Karen uses a Falcon. Doesn't she?

Regardless, this Haley is beautiful. And whoever gets it is getting a real stunning cue.
 
I have one last thought on this subject. Mr. Frisbee is an astute collector and has the meens to move on any cue he desires. His judgement should not be taken lightly.
 
Consider yourself corrected,Karen has been playing with Bill's cue for over a year. As soon as she was out from under contract,she had his cue in her hands.
 
even still that doesnt mean bill makes a better cue...that just means karen or nick uses a mcdaniel. plus karen probably hasnt used a haley before so u cant compare the two cues this way.
 
Well, this was more discussion than I was expecting. Yes, the Haley is a fantastic cue. So were my Ginas, ebony and silver Prewitt, gold-inlayed Bender, and a number of other cues I have owned. I bought this cue because I had read many good things about his work, and really took to the design. It does, indeed, look better in person, and has a very solid feel to it. As such, I am not currently interested in selling it and would be happy to keep it long-term for regular use. As far as I am concerned, it was money very well spent. I simply felt if I could find a trade for an exact cue I really loved owning, it would be worth it to me, as the owner.

As for McDaniel cues, I have loved how mine have played. The work in the cues I owned was either flawless, or so nearly, it made no difference. Whether someone may find it laughable that I would trade this cue for that is really of no interest to me. I am not looking for a public opinion poll. Quite frankly, I can comfortably afford them both, but don't see the need to tie up more money in cues than I would use. Ron Haley's work appears to be top notch, no question. In my opinion, and history of playing with his cues, so was Bill McDaniel's. His debatably poor choice of apparently limiting his models of cues is really irrelevant to me. I have a good job and investments to make money. I buy cues and play pool for fun.

Perhaps I will just keep this cue, then. Thank you to those who chose to respond.

Best wishes,
Ryan
 
hangemhigh said:
I have one last thought on this subject. Mr. Frisbee is an astute collector and has the meens to move on any cue he desires. His judgement should not be taken lightly.
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I AGREE THAT RYAN IS A RESPECTED COLLECTOR, AND HAS THE MEANS TO BUY WHATEVER CUES HE WANTS.

NO OFFENSE TO RYAN, BUT THE McDANIEL ISN'T NEARLY AS DESIRABLE AS THE HALEY. IF RYAN PREFERS THE McDANIEL THAT'S HIS CHOICE...... FOR YOU TO SAY THAT A McDANIEL IS SUPERIOR, TO ME IS INCORRECT. I'D RATHER HAVE A HALEY.

I WILL AGREE THAT BILL'S CUES PLAY NICE, BUT THAT HALEY RYAN HAS, ALSO PLAYS VERY WELL. (AS HAVE ALL THE OTHER HALEYS THAT I HAVE HIT WITH)

FOR THE MONEY I'M TAKING THE HANDMADE, NON COOKIE CUTTER CUE, FROM RON HALEY...... AFTER SEEING THE SAME DESIGNS OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM McDANIEL, IT'S TOUGH FOR ME TO RESPECT THEM.

P.S. I SOLD ONE OF THESE FANCY McDANIELS LIKE RYAN IS LOOKING FOR, BUT MINE HAD RUBIES AND GOLD IN THE RINGWORK. IT WAS A HARDER/CHEAPER SELL THAN THE HALEY.
 
hangemhigh said:
I have one last thought on this subject. Mr. Frisbee is an astute collector and has the meens to move on any cue he desires. His judgement should not be taken lightly.
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That's good. Hopefully he'll snatch up all the McDaniel cues out there and keep them out of our sights while freeing up more and more beautiful Ron Haleys for the rest of the world.

I understand what you're saying here, hangem. I have a preference of Haley over McDaniel. And you prefer McDaniel. No big deal. But don;t mistake personal preference for proof of superior quality. That's just ridiculous.

Now hopefully that really was your last thought on this subject and we can now leave this man to move his cue however he sees fit.
 
no worries

FAST_N_LOOSE said:
Sorry For Hijacking The Thread Ryan.

I'll Look And See If I Can Find The Mcdaniels That I Sold.
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No sweat, Marcus. I don't feel you hijacked anything. Some simple threads just seem to take on a life of their own. I also thought dealing with you was one of the smoothest and easiest transactions I have had in a while. I have to admit, I was pretty surprised this cue wasn't snapped up right after you listed it. My luck, I suppose.

As for the trade, I will just keep and play with the Haley. It's a great cue and goes nicely with my others.

Best wishes,
Ryan
 
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