Hand touching chest on draw shots
- Thread starter Kim Bye
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You are being pedantic again. The human body is not a machine. To compare, in a strict fashion, the hinge action of the human elbow to a true mechanical pendulum is completely missing the point when the term "pendulum" is used. Many analogic terms are used in the English language to describe the looks or action of something. With this one, you are missing the point.
I don't think Randy or Scott or any of the other SPF instructors would call out an inch or less of elbow drop during the pull-back or delivery of a cue as a strict violation of a pendulum stroke. (However, Randy/Scott/et al. are welcome to challenge/correct me here.)
<sigh> No, the word "scissors" is not a proprietary term, but it is interesting how you "seem" to understand concepts when others describe it with certain words, and then you adopt/begin using those certain words going forward, but yet seem to miss the most basic underlying concept of what is being explained.
I think you know me better than to try to say I beat around the bush. History should show you by now that I do not.
And whose fault is that? I personally think you are your own worst enemy here, that your red-pill pedantic tendencies cause others to just throw their hands up in the air and not want to get into it with you.
And, you have a tendency to want to dig in and mix it up with people, but then turn around and do this:
-Sean
Thanks for the chuckle.
So...hitting one's self in the chest has been the preferred method for a cue stroke for how long?
Now keep in mind, we are not talking about one's hand finishing near the chest or shoulder but actually hitting their chest so that the wrist breaks & keeps the cue 'level'.
How long has that been a prescribed method?
I was not talking about hand hitting the chest so the wrist breaks and keeps the cue "level".
Where did you think I was talking about that?
I am talking about the hand finishing near he chest shoulder area.
You, make too many assumptions.
I feel bad for the OP, none of this diatribe has helped him at all.
Where did you think I was talking about that?
I am talking about the hand finishing near he chest shoulder area.
You, make too many assumptions.
I feel bad for the OP, none of this diatribe has helped him at all.
I think the problem is the mention of the phrase, "pendulum stroke." It's like saying "beetlejuice" three times, and you get a visit from Michael Keaton with a painted face.
-Sean
Where is a sandworm when you need one?
LOL
LOL
I think the problem is the mention of the phrase, "pendulum stroke." It's like saying "beetlejuice" three times, and you get a visit from Michael Keaton with a painted face.
-Sean
You are being pedantic again. The human body is not a machine. To compare, in a strict fashion, the hinge action of the human elbow to a true mechanical pendulum is completely missing the point when the term "pendulum" is used. Many analogic terms are used in the English language to describe the looks or action of something. With this one, you are missing the point.
I don't think Randy or Scott or any of the other SPF instructors would call out an inch or less of elbow drop during the pull-back or delivery of a cue as a strict violation of a pendulum stroke. (However, Randy/Scott/et al. are welcome to challenge/correct me here.)
<sigh> No, the word "scissors" is not a proprietary term, but it is interesting how you "seem" to understand concepts when others describe it with certain words, and then you adopt/begin using those certain words going forward, but yet seem to miss the most basic underlying concept of what is being explained.
I think you know me better than to try to say I beat around the bush. History should show you by now that I do not.
And whose fault is that? I personally think you are your own worst enemy here, that your red-pill pedantic tendencies cause others to just throw their hands up in the air and not want to get into it with you.
And, you have a tendency to want to dig in and mix it up with people, but then turn around and do this:
-Sean
Sean,
I have no bad wishes for you.
As usual, you make many false assumptions. Your thinking that you have omniscient powers is self aggrandizing.
For just one example, my comment about the lack of info. regarding the grip/hand action is not FOR ME. It is for all those that are seeking to improve THEIR stroke. I have not seen much on it in my time here. I was not referring in any regard to ME getting any explanation. I don't need one. You seem to think that I am some how looking for understanding of the 'pendulum' stroke. I understand it. It is a simple concept. Simple is often not what is best.
I've pointed out my observations. I'll leave it for those that read them to make their own determinations.
I have no inclination to go with you into a word war of semantics, vernacular, & comparisons whether faulty or applicable.
I don't know what your true intentions are, but like another on AZB you seem to be poor strategist.
Best Wishes to You...Sincerely,
Rick
My fad reference when quoting Fran was relative to her comment in regards to Beiber/Jon's statement.
I PM'd the OP yesterday as I saw this coming.
I think the problem is the mention of the phrase, "pendulum stroke." It's like saying "beetlejuice" three times, and you get a visit from Michael Keaton with a painted face.
-Sean
I remember the last time you thought that your insults were funny.
And to think I tried to green rep you again for your post #35.
---------------------------Oppps, I should not say that, so I won't.
Best Wishes to You Too,
Rick
Sorry, that was cause Sean's comment WAS FUNNY!!!
Don't think I will lose any sleep over your rep, again this thread is not about YOU.
The point of all of this is whenever you are involved in a thread here, it becomes a thread about YOU and the fact that you love argue and always has to have the last word. Do you know what OCD stands for?
I saw this coming too. BTW Sean pegged you 100 percent.
Don't think I will lose any sleep over your rep, again this thread is not about YOU.
The point of all of this is whenever you are involved in a thread here, it becomes a thread about YOU and the fact that you love argue and always has to have the last word. Do you know what OCD stands for?
I saw this coming too. BTW Sean pegged you 100 percent.
And as usual, Rick, you obsessive-compulsively take any discussion down the tiniest of rabbit holes, analyzing and overthinking the tiniest minutiae, and making assumptions YOURSELF about the ability of the person you're debating, all the while completely missing the most basic of points.
And I love your innuendos, too. When you can't win a debate with *valid* points ("win" in your definition must mean "buckle your opponent under and have them acquiesce"), you resort to insults yourself. The difference is that other people don't disguise them. You try to, under the "but I do send you best wishes" camouflage.
-Sean <-- thought the movie, "As Good as it Gets" was a great movie, but man, am tired of actually being "in" the movie...
Thanks for the laughs, 'Doctor'.
Trying to characterize me as a 'loon' won't change the facts for those that can see them.
I've been down this road before with another ego of your like.
How about this one,
See Ya' latter,
Rick
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Is that what started all this?
Or was it that?
My apologies to the OP for my part in this detour. (I told you it was coming)
And My apologies, for my part, to all other instructors & individuals as well.
Best Wishes to ALL,
Rick
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<...p-tingggg!!...> (Sound of the Ignore List spittoon receiving an entry from ten feet away.)
I guess you won't see this, but thanks for this chuckle too. Now that WAS funny.
So now that that is hopefully over.
Is Kim's concern warranted?
It seems that some instructors will say that the chest/shoulder area is the natural 'stopping point' for 'the' stroke.
It also seems that at least CJ, Fran, & myself don't quite see it that way.
I will leave it up to the rest of you all to try to help Kim, bbb, & Beiber/Jon.
Unless, I am 'inadvertently' insulted, in which case I reserve the AZB granted ability to defend myself.
Best Wishes to ALL & to ALL Shoot Well, regardless of whatever method you are using.
Rick
Is Kim's concern warranted?
It seems that some instructors will say that the chest/shoulder area is the natural 'stopping point' for 'the' stroke.
It also seems that at least CJ, Fran, & myself don't quite see it that way.
I will leave it up to the rest of you all to try to help Kim, bbb, & Beiber/Jon.
Unless, I am 'inadvertently' insulted, in which case I reserve the AZB granted ability to defend myself.
Best Wishes to ALL & to ALL Shoot Well, regardless of whatever method you are using.
Rick
Fran, you knew Gene well does this picture look like his hand is hitting his chest?
Tony, Gene was a classic elbow-dropper. In fact, I can honestly say he dropped his elbow on nearly every shot. I'm talking about a major elbow drop.
I'm not really sure what was going on in that particular photo. I can think of about a half-dozen possibilities. He was standing nearly erect and possibly shooting over a ball. His palm is completely off the table, so I'm not really sure what's going on. Could even be a jump shot. Don't know. He was capable of all kinds of things.
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Yes, and the bottom line of all of this is we need to see a video from the OP in order to diagnose what he is doing.
All of this "discussion" has not helped him one little bit.
All of this "discussion" has not helped him one little bit.