Hand touching chest on draw shots
- Thread starter Kim Bye
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Yep, and not a thing has changed. I've kept quiet because I know it's just a matter of time until you get yourself banned again. The only one fooled by you is you, EVERYONE else sees right through you.:wink:
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Right. That is all you know because you are looking at photograph that depicts a single second in time. The man in the photo was one of my closest friends for 30 years. Would you like to have a debate about his form?
Ok ok, break it up.
BTW that photo doesn't appear to be the finish of a normal shot which makes it useless in this discussion.
To the OP, I do this too. In fact, after a three month layoff I spent a couple hours doing Bert's mighty X and feel bruised up from hitting my chest with my hand. I'm a B player most days and have played like this for years. From doing this drill so often I have the X worn into my cloth along with a follow through mark about six inches past the spot where the CB rests for the shot. This "left turn" wear mark in my cloth is from my hand hitting my chest and my wrist bresking OUT due to my hand deflecting off my chest while still going forward. For the record I use a more piston style stroke and my cue is level at all times. My left (front) foot is about six inches to the left and parallel to the shot line.
I don't know if this issue is holding me back due to it being caused by a mechanical issue or if it's my natural finishing position due to my injured shoulders. If you (the OP) ever get something resembling an answer, please share it with me.
Thanks and good luck.
James
BTW that photo doesn't appear to be the finish of a normal shot which makes it useless in this discussion.
To the OP, I do this too. In fact, after a three month layoff I spent a couple hours doing Bert's mighty X and feel bruised up from hitting my chest with my hand. I'm a B player most days and have played like this for years. From doing this drill so often I have the X worn into my cloth along with a follow through mark about six inches past the spot where the CB rests for the shot. This "left turn" wear mark in my cloth is from my hand hitting my chest and my wrist bresking OUT due to my hand deflecting off my chest while still going forward. For the record I use a more piston style stroke and my cue is level at all times. My left (front) foot is about six inches to the left and parallel to the shot line.
I don't know if this issue is holding me back due to it being caused by a mechanical issue or if it's my natural finishing position due to my injured shoulders. If you (the OP) ever get something resembling an answer, please share it with me.
Thanks and good luck.
James
His general form is irrelevant to the discussion. We're talking about what's happening in that photo.
His hand is against his chest, his wrist is bent; and if it weren't for being jacked up, his cue would be level.
That's all I was pointing out.
if i'm hitting the ball real well and draw the ball hard i'll bruise my rib cage. i know i followed through and hit it well when i keep hitting the same spot and it starts to hurt
I've actually done that -- repetitive impacts causing a little bruise, or at least a sore spot -- on the side of my chest where my Finish ends up. Or worse, if I'm wearing a "flappy" shirt, I've caused inflammation on a certain very sensitive "feature" on the chest (the same feature on everyone's chest -- you have two of these features) where, as my right-hand griphand Finished on my shirt, the cloth of my shirt had rubbed the feature on the right side of my chest until it was red and inflamed.
Granted, that was long ago and during the part of time in my life when I was drilling myself on learning stroke technique, according to some long-forgotten books. (I think one of them may've been Mosconi's red book, but I can't be sure. And it doesn't matter anyway, because I no longer use pool fundamentals.)
Over time, and in the process of tossing away my pool fundamentals in favor of learning snooker fundamentals, my Finish doesn't contact my chest anymore. In fact, because I'm much lower to the cue (chin on the cue) due to snooker fundamentals, my elbow has its own built-in finish -- i.e. the complete closure of my biceps pulling the elbow closed comes to its own built-in "stop," where the elbow can't close any further. When the elbow is closed to this maximum point, my hand is near, but not contacting my chest. Actually, my griphand Finishes closer to my *shoulder* than to my chest, due to the unique line-up that snooker fundamentals give you (i.e. your shoulders are more square to the shot).
BTW, in case anyone's curious, you'll notice I've been capitalizing the "F" in the word "Finish." The reason is to let the reader know that the Finish is according to SPF guidelines.
-Sean
Oh for goodness sake.... seriously? Gene used to step into his shots that way depending on the shot. For all we know he wasn't even set in his stance yet.
You really should trust me on this and stop trying to read into something that is impossible to read into.
You're bruising yourself and you're wondering if something's wrong? Yes. Something is wrong and it starts with your alignment. You are probably straddling the line of your shot with the center of your body when in fact, your shooting arm is on the SIDE of your body. Of course you're going to hit yourself in the chest.
I'd like to see how your cue is level at all times. If that's true, you'd be the first.
Ok relatively level sheesh. Don't bunch up.
James,
Is your cue riding in contact with your chest for the whole stroke or is it only coming up into your chest when your hand hits your chest?
Also, just to be clear, are you talking about your hand or your wrist area hitting your chest?
Regards & Best Wishes,
Rick
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That made me think of Sigel's stroke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfz7rpVBVjQ
I know I come across as stubborn at times, but I do take what others say into consideration. So today I tried Sigel's stance and stroke (minus the huge elbow drop). I missed a lot more shots than I made, but I could definitely see some positives on the shots I did make.
Oh, and my hand was nowhere near my chest
The part of my hand from the second knuckle of my thumb to my wrist is hitting my chest. I've been making adjustments and it is not quite as bad now. After recording me shoot from the side I can say that my earlier post was a darn lie. I have a pendulum stroke more than a piston. It's on the upswing when I drop my elbow and follow through that I often hit the side of my chest with my hand. Yes, my cue touches my chest during the stroke.
Thanks for reading and sorry to be bumming a ride on this thread.
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That made me think of Sigel's stroke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfz7rpVBVjQ
I know I come across as stubborn at times, but I do take what others say into consideration. So today I tried Sigel's stance and stroke (minus the huge elbow drop). I missed a lot more shots than I made, but I could definitely see some positives on the shots I did make.
Oh, and my hand was nowhere near my chest
Sigel's stance is extreme. If I can recall, he's right handed but shoots pool left handed. My guess would be that his extreme stance is to accommodate his dominant right eye. There are a whole lot more options in between Sigel's stance and bruising your chest due to repetitive hitting.
I think it's great that you are experimenting with your stance. Keep at it but remember, change is uncomfortable.
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Yep I think extreme is the right word. That's probably why it's always stood out to me. .
If possible, I'll try to record a short video today.