hard cue tip????

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Hey Guys, Ive been using triangle tips for years and have experienced the same consistency problems that other cue makers have complained about. Some are fairly hard, some are soft ect. Anyway, I like the way they hold chalk any my question is has anyone found a tip that acts similar as far as holding chalk but is hard. Ive pressed the triangles and they still are to soft. I prefer that harder hit. I would rather steer away from laminated tips as I believe that every glue ring that is exposed as the tip is rounded creates a spot that chalk will not adhere to. What did the old pro's use, anyone know? Thanks for any help. Mark
 
Have you tried LePro's? As is the case with the Triangles, consistency is a bit of a problem, but I've used LePro's forever. I've tried other tips, laminated, etc., and always end up coming back to the LePro. I press them in a vice before I install them just to be sure they are nice and hard.
 
Ive tried the Le pro tips and some cue makers say they are softer but I think the triangles are softer. Still they arent what Im looking for but thanks for the suggestion. Ill keep hunting.
 
kiinstructor said:
Ive tried the Le pro tips and some cue makers say they are softer but I think the triangles are softer. Still they arent what Im looking for but thanks for the suggestion. Ill keep hunting.
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If you do want to try a layered, I recommend Molavia. I feel it has a good feel and grabbing ability like nonlayered, but the lasting ability of a layered. A hard Malavia is about comparable to a medium Moori.
Kelly
 
kiinstructor said:
Hey Guys, Ive been using triangle tips for years and have experienced the same consistency problems that other cue makers have complained about. Some are fairly hard, some are soft ect. Anyway, I like the way they hold chalk any my question is has anyone found a tip that acts similar as far as holding chalk but is hard. Ive pressed the triangles and they still are to soft. I prefer that harder hit. I would rather steer away from laminated tips as I believe that every glue ring that is exposed as the tip is rounded creates a spot that chalk will not adhere to. What did the old pro's use, anyone know? Thanks for any help. Mark
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I'm a great believer in layered tips and feel that the best non-layered doesn't even come close to a layared one. As far as chalk not adhering to the glue, well that is a problem I've never found. But at any rate, you don't like layerd tips and that is certainly your perogative. If one tip was the absolute best for everyone then only one tip would be on the market and we know differently than that.

Before layared tips became populer I liked W/B water buffalo tips. Very hard but still holds chalk well. I don't like the Sumo water buffalo as it seems they start a little softer than the W/B in just a couple weeks of use they get to hard. If you can find a good LePro tip it is a good tip but they are few and far in between. I buy around 2500 or so LePros a year and throw about 60 to 70% away as they are rotten.

Dick
 
Water Buffalo are hard and are a courser leather, they hold chalk . They are thicker than cow!!!!!! I put them on 97% of players in my small town.
 
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Red on the outside...

kiinstructor said:
The non layered sumo, is that the red ones?
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Red on the outside...brown on the inside once you get past the coating. If you are having someone install it, you won't even see the red coating if done correctly. Nice tip!

Hard but plays like a medium hard. Worth the try.

By the way...don't knock the laminated tips forever. They seem to be getting better and better. I also have never seen or experienced the glue causing a problem with chalkless patches.

Gene
 
Common problem with the Sumo & WB tips are that they will blow a chunk out of the tip often on a miscue type hit. They are hard but a bit brittle.
If you HAVE to have a hard Triangle then soak it for a few days in Mineral Spirits then leave pressed in a vice for a few more days until dry. Hardness, of course, will depend on the amount of pressure. You can make them EXTREMELY hard and they will still have the chalk holding qualities of the original Triangle.
That being said...I agree...no single layer tip has anywhere near the playability of the best layered tips. Tiger, Moori, Molavia, Kamui...many fine options to choose from. Most of the pro players that I do work for...use the Sniper by Tiger...when installed correctly it'll do stuff that other tips simply can not!!!
 
I like the talisman waterbufflao layered tips. I thought I would hate them due to hating all other talisman tips. But this one I fell in love with. Try those out.

Tony
 
Mystick Cue Fan said:
I like the talisman waterbufflao layered tips. I thought I would hate them due to hating all other talisman tips. But this one I fell in love with. Try those out.

Tony
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I will second that, talisman w/b hard works for me.
 
Thanks alot guys for all your opinions and suggestions. I think I will have to be a little more open minded and try a few of the layers tips. I got the idea about chalk not holding on the glue lines from Joe Neilson> I guess he's a very good shot from Chicago and had access to any tip he wants but I think it all comes down to personal preference. But I have never tried the hard talisman and have basically not even looked into them because of the bad posts. But think their worth a try. I will also try the sniper and post my findings. Again, thanks for all your help.
Happiness Mark
 
I've been going through most of the tips listed in the past few months, I've been trying most of the tips out myself to check out all the properties before I install them on peoples cues. I used lepro's for years, a great tip if you get a good one. I am not a fan of triangle tips I find you don't get any real extra benefit from them and they miscue a little more. As for Sumo they are pretty hard but brittle and I think I will stop using them, I've had four bust a chunk off out of about seven I've installed. on layered tips (which vastly out-do non-layered IMO) I've tried talisman, moori slow, medium, and quick, and sniper in the past three months. The sniper tip I installed has been the best playing tip I have ever used. Like Varney Cues said earlier I can do things with that tip that I simply cannot with any other tip. Second only by a small margin I've really enjoyed every moori tip I have used. They are consistant and very easy to maintain and you know what you are getting. A layered tip is worth it for a small difference in cost you are getting a much better product that will last longer, not need to be shaped as often or as much and will outperform at the table where it counts. just my two cents...

Matt LeClerc
 
I played with a triangle for 5 years...When you get a good one, hang on to it... I switched to a WB Medium-Hard, and they are great. I have played with one for 3 years, and only the 2nd one on my cue. Kiinstructor, if you want to try one, let me know, and I will send you one to try. Jim
 
I like the Talisman Pro Hard tip the best of any tips that I have used. I went from Lepro to Talisman WB Hard and and had trouble with delamination...and then went to Moori Quick. But Moori is costly so I tried the Talisman Pro Hard and am thankful. They play so good..Dont us a Tip Pik though... just lightly roughen the tip with sandpaper when the surface gets too glassy... GOOD LUCK
 
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