hard to aim ivisible object ball

This was a good topic for discussion that turned into cxxp like many discussions in this sub-forum before it. I believe there are no such "tricks". Extreme cutshots are hard. You have a small margin for error, and usually the shots have to be hit with some speed as well. The object ball travels slowly, making it vulnerable to rolls and nap effects.

When I learned to play I struggled very much with these shots. Then I started playing against a guy that made most thin cut shots seem like hangers. He stood high above his cue, like an old time straight pool player. I emulated him and started making more of them, especially the relatively short ones. I thought I had stumbled upon a great secret of the game, but alas, it turned into a disappointment. The reason, I suspect, that he and after a while I made these shots was standing tall, giving us a good look at the angle, but on the long shots it can compromise your aim. The solution to this is to look at the shot and aim it while standing up. You commit to this aim you have selected, which is truer than the one you get over the cue. Then you shoot the shot with the chin on or close to the cue. You aim the edge of the cue ball, not it's center which will be pointing into nothing (and thus give you no useful information in this particular case). If you have dropped straight down onto the line of aim you selected when standing up and you commit to the aim you chose, then the ball will drop. If you selected the wrong aim standing up, then experience and repetition will guide your next attempt. NOTHING is learned from adjustments made while in the shooting position.

And another thing: You can get some help from sidespin, both inside and outside on these shots, but IMHO those are crutches that should be abandoned as soon as possible. If you are to be an even moderately successful player you need to be able to hit every shot with the kind of english it requires, not cinching balls all the time. All shots should be shot like you expect to make it. NO jerking, twisting or spinning balls in that you don't have to. If the position requires extreme inside, then shoot it that way with the confidence of a young Earl Strickland, don't poke it with outside or some other crutch solution. When you poke and jerk your stroke it is your brain expecting you to miss the ball. You haven't missed the ball until it stops rolling. If you shoot even these double tough shots with a smooth and even stroke like a hanger, I expect your success rate will increase and if you stay down instead of popping up you will see what you did wrong if you do happen to miss.

Very good post & I just learned something you said here from my lesson of Perfect Aim with Gene Albrecht. I would suggest that westlife & others might benefit from getting Gene's DVD.

Before my lesson with Gene I had converted to shooting those long thin tough shots with CJ's TOI. I did so because it seemed to & does work very well, but...as you say that is a bit of a crutch IF used instead of outside english if that is what is called for but CJ has a TOI method for that too but I don't use it for the long thin one/s but I will for the shorter thin ones. Is that a run on 'sentence'?

Again, Good Post but I don't think I can green rep you again yet.

Best to Y'a & Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to You & Yours,
Rick
 
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hello azbilliarders wanna ask what is the technique in aiming a invisible object ball..the straight shot,the 7/8 shot the 5/8 the 3/4 shot and the half ball shot is easy to aim because you can see the aimpoint of the object ball where the cue can point of those spot
this is my problem when it comes to a thin shot like 60deg to up degress its hard to find the right amount of cut to the object ball sometimes i overcut it and undercut it because i think im guessing the right amount of cut shot,is there an easy technique to be thought in a thin cut shot thanks

Westlife,

First, sorry for your thread going down the CTE spiral but a contentious statement was made & down the hole it went, Sorry.

As to the thread, I have a suggestion, click edit & then 'go advanced' & then change the title of the thread to something like, another CTE 'debate' or death spiral or something & then open up another thread with your questions.

As to the shots, follow 99's suggestion about looking at where you want to make contact on the object ball as you go down on the shot & do NOT look at the cue ball until you are down & set & once down make no adjustments.

Best Wishes, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to You & Yours,
Rick
 
Its just amazing how full of shit some people are.

If you don't use ghost ball....how can you have a opinion what can and can not be done with it. Same line the CTE users like to use.

If you don't use ghost ball, you don't understand how it is impossible for 5 different shots to provide the same visuals for a center pocket center. The way "you" understand the system to be, you are correct with this opinion.

So until you open your mind to ghost ball and it uses, you are really just talking out your ass about ghost ball huh. Same line CTE users like to use.

i have pretty much tried all methods of pocketing balls over the years, just out of curiosity and interest.
 
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That would depend on if you got lucky on your set up from the start. If I had to take a guess ...I would say a lot. That's a good thing though, it quite normal.;)

Are you telling me you can fall right on the line that sends the ball to the pocket with your system?? No adjustments...no back and forth with the eyes to really lock the shot in.. If so you're so blessed.:)

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Being its close to Christmas and your in the forgetting mode let me give you some good advice. Forget everything you know about the game and start over. You might atcual become twice the player you are now, not sure what that is but its a good start.:wink:
 
That would depend on if you got lucky on your set up from the start. If I had to take a guess ...I would say a lot. That's a good thing though, it quite normal.;)

Are you telling me you can fall right on the line that sends the ball to the pocket with your system?? No adjustments...no back and forth with the eyes to really lock the shot in.. If so you're so blessed.:)

Well if I could actually fall on the line every time and pocket the ball i wouldn't be here. I'd be a pro and would have been chased off of here,lol. CTE done to perfection, yes would send every ball to a pocket. If you want to call the back and forth with the eyes to lock in the shot an adjustment, well ok. I call the back and forth with the eyes locking in the system. When i used to purposely make adjustments because the shot didn't look right i would miss. I have since learned to stand up and make sure i'm locking in the system. It's not about getting lucky on your set up, it's about doing it right.
 
That would depend on if you got lucky on your set up from the start. If I had to take a guess ...I would say a lot. That's a good thing though, it quite normal.;)

Are you telling me you can fall right on the line that sends the ball to the pocket with your system?? No adjustments...no back and forth with the eyes to really lock the shot in.. If so you're so blessed.:)

Still no real answer
 
Well if I could actually fall on the line every time and pocket the ball i wouldn't be here. I'd be a pro and would have been chased off of here,lol. CTE done to perfection,HOW WOULD YOU KNOW YOUR NOT A PRO yes would send every ball to a pocket. If you want to call the back and forth with the eyes to lock in the shot an adjustment, well ok. I call the back and forth with the eyes locking in the system. When i used to purposely make adjustments because the shot didn't look right i would miss.IM SURE YOU MADE SOME TO, OR WAS IT 100 PERCENT MISSES I have since learned to stand up and make sure i'm locking in the system. It's not about getting lucky on your set up, it's about doing it right.

You make a solid case for pro1....i believe you.:rolleyes:
 
I've always used the edge of the ball as the aiming guide for shooting cut shot (edge to edge at the starting point).....but you use the shadow to help determine and zero in on how thick or thin you need to cut the ball so that way there are no guessing involves...just one define variable that you can focus on...they rest is all stroke. Good Luck.


hello azbilliarders wanna ask what is the technique in aiming a invisible object ball..the straight shot,the 7/8 shot the 5/8 the 3/4 shot and the half ball shot is easy to aim because you can see the aimpoint of the object ball where the cue can point of those spot
this is my problem when it comes to a thin shot like 60deg to up degress its hard to find the right amount of cut to the object ball sometimes i overcut it and undercut it because i think im guessing the right amount of cut shot,is there an easy technique to be thought in a thin cut shot thanks
 
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