Hardtimes and Dave Hemmah

[jay helfert]

My dad suggest a single elimination 128 limit. Races to 11 for pros, 10 semi pros, 9 everyone else. That way when two big name players draw each other, one of them wont affect the rest of the field. It finishes faster and easier to run. Also, the weaker players have a better chance at making the money as a good draw will help them advance quicker into the field. More upsets are possible and there can be action as people will still have the desire to play if they get knocked out. Morro, Dave and the rest of us can start ring games and all that good stuff...Just another option to consider.

In case thats not a desirable option, we can have a 128 max same format as before, but go single elimination like the WPBA format/Japan format... That way people can get rewarded for coming on the losers side and fighting back to the single elimination knockout stages. Whatever though, up to you guys, a side pot like I told you Sam is a good idea too just like in Arizona. It generates a bigger pot. More money at stake, more spectators, more business for Hard Times. Everyone wins. JMO, pze

Kid, you play too good. One day they're gonna bar you. Ha ha ha

 

[CrownCityCorey]

My dad suggest a single elimination 128 limit. Races to 11 for pros, 10 semi pros, 9 everyone else. That way when two big name players draw each other, one of them wont affect the rest of the field. It finishes faster and easier to run. Also, the weaker players have a better chance at making the money as a good draw will help them advance quicker into the field. More upsets are possible and there can be action as people will still have the desire to play if they get knocked out. Morro, Dave and the rest of us can start ring games and all that good stuff...Just another option to consider.

In case thats not a desirable option, we can have a 128 max same format as before, but go single elimination like the WPBA format/Japan format... That way people can get rewarded for coming on the losers side and fighting back to the single elimination knockout stages. Whatever though, up to you guys, a side pot like I told you Sam is a good idea too just like in Arizona. It generates a bigger pot. More money at stake, more spectators, more business for Hard Times. Everyone wins. JMO, pze

That sounds good to me. Longer races, single elim = short day if you are playing shitty.

Giving it some more thought, perhaps all tournaments should be single elim. The B/Losers side of any event is a "bag of ass".

 

[dabarbr]

My dad suggest a single elimination 128 limit. Races to 11 for pros, 10 semi pros, 9 everyone else. That way when two big name players draw each other, one of them wont affect the rest of the field. It finishes faster and easier to run. Also, the weaker players have a better chance at making the money as a good draw will help them advance quicker into the field. More upsets are possible and there can be action as people will still have the desire to play if they get knocked out. Morro, Dave and the rest of us can start ring games and all that good stuff...Just another option to consider.

In case thats not a desirable option, we can have a 128 max same format as before, but go single elimination like the WPBA format/Japan format... That way people can get rewarded for coming on the losers side and fighting back to the single elimination knockout stages. Whatever though, up to you guys, a side pot like I told you Sam is a good idea too just like in Arizona. It generates a bigger pot. More money at stake, more spectators, more business for Hard Times. Everyone wins. JMO, pze

I think this is a great idea. Also, most will play with more intensity knowing it's single elimination. Better for your game.

 

[TorranceChris]

When Chris speaks, the world listens.

What a blatant bribe for green rep I must spread it around before repping you again

 

[TorranceChris]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the rep and the kind words.
Are you friends with Dave Hemmah? If so please tell him my wife says hi. He probably knows her by Sugar. When she was out in Long Beach he was giving her lessons and she has always had nothing but nice things to say about him. I met him briefly one night but I doubt he remembers me. I know he remembers my wife as she is one you don't forget.

Thanks,

BVal

No prob I go most Sundays to HT so I'll pass on Sugar's regards to Dave as well as yours.

 

[frankncali]

My dad suggest a single elimination 128 limit. Races to 11 for pros, 10 semi pros, 9 everyone else. That way when two big name players draw each other, one of them wont affect the rest of the field. It finishes faster and easier to run. Also, the weaker players have a better chance at making the money as a good draw will help them advance quicker into the field. More upsets are possible and there can be action as people will still have the desire to play if they get knocked out. Morro, Dave and the rest of us can start ring games and all that good stuff...Just another option to consider.

In case thats not a desirable option, we can have a 128 max same format as before, but go single elimination like the WPBA format/Japan format... That way people can get rewarded for coming on the losers side and fighting back to the single elimination knockout stages. Whatever though, up to you guys, a side pot like I told you Sam is a good idea too just like in Arizona. It generates a bigger pot. More money at stake, more spectators, more business for Hard Times. Everyone wins. JMO, pze

Interesting but is it any shorter? Thats 127 matches with the average being probably 1.25ish hours long.
Lets see
First round - 64 matches
If they use 20 tables then thats roughly 3.5+ hours to get in the first round.
Now 4:30
2nd round- 32 matches
Probably 2.25 hours for that round
Now approx -- 6:45
3rd round- 16 matches
1.5 hours -- matches will take longer as the better players are left and more is on the line.
now- 8:15ish
4th round -8 matches
1.5 hours -
now roughly 9:45
5th round - 4 matches
1.5 hours -
Now 11:15
6th - Semi's 2 matches
1.5 hours +
Now 12:30-45 ish
Finals
1.5 (how many are splits?) if so it would end right here at 1230ish
End time 1:30 -2:00

Of course some match times can be longer but I think a normal race to 9 is 1.5.
In the beginning the number of tables used and the number of entrants is very important. Without a full field there would be less matches but a high number of tables would still need to be used to get into the heart of the tournament.

I disagree with the thought that more upset can occur. I am not likely to beat any of the better players there in a race to 5 or 6/5 and my odds drop much more as the match gets longer.

I am a fan of the 6/5 winners side format. The majority of the players in the event go to 5 and are not top players. On an average week I would think that there are more b players than any other level by far.
As a pool room I wouldn't do anything to change that ratio. Of course I would also do something every now and then for the top guys as well.

I would play the Single Elim event.

Perhaps a small table time discount to the participants for the rest of the day would bring in more money for HTs and keep players in the building.
I know that I would be more likely to play the tourney knowing that I could match up or find someone to play with the rest of the day.

 

[MexPoolPlyr]

I guess what I meant by more upsets is that when pros have a bad match and lose, they wont be able to affect the rest of the field. How many times do Morro, Dave, Lorry, etc, have a terrible match with players not rated "pros" and still come back from the losers side and snap the thing off? I think I expressed that view terribly, but hey, Im a sports med major, not English

Also, if two "unrated" players play, it would be race to 9. Just an idea from pops. Im just relaying the msg

Frank, I cant respond to your view on it being the same time frame as Ive never played a single elim tourney before. Who knows, it might be longer. No matter what though, I think everyone agrees the HT tourney takes WAY too long with most of the time spent is in between waiting for matches and not playing.