Harvey Martin Materials?

[3kushn]

I'm about to purchase a Martin Cue we think was built in the 50's.
We also strongly believe the Butt Cap, Ferrule, and joint Sleeve have previously been replaced.
Given that information and the selling price is not outrageous as its really not a collector's item per se, I'm considering some minor restoration work.

The Butt Cap is loose and joint diameters don't match well.

Soooooo? If I was to restore these areas, does anyone know what materials he used in the 50's?
I always thought he was big into Ivory, but maybe only for customers willing to pay. I don't know.
Luckily with the joint issue, its the sleeves that are oversize, not the wood itself in case I decide to just use what's there.

 

[Tommy-D]

I'm not exactly an expert,but every picture I've ever seen of his cues had a ivory joint and probably the butt cap too. Tommy D.

 

[cueman]

Most had Ivory joints but the majority of butt plates were delrin.

 

[JC]

Time marches on . Save your money.

 

[cueman]

Can you post a picture of it?

 

[barrymore]

I had a Martin Cue and the butt material was Delrin. My cue was made in the 50's and most the Martin cues that I am familiar with had Delrin butts also. Mr Martin was a great person and cue maker.

 

[3kushn]

Here you go cueman.

 

[jkmarshall_cues]

That's a fatal crack in the forearm!!! Sad to see that!!!

 

[3kushn]

That's a fatal crack in the forearm!!! Sad to see that!!!

I think you're looking at the grip seam.

 

[Michael Webb]

Here you go cueman.

3/8x8 joint screw. First time I've seen the tip of the screw like that.

 

[cueman]

Delrin butt cap and joint. Phenolic rings.

 

[3kushn]

3/8x8 joint screw. First time I've seen the tip of the screw like that.

That's why I focused in on that.

 

[3kushn]

Delrin butt cap and joint. Phenolic rings.

So if Delrin is correct and the approx build date is correct it seems the butt cap isn't original.
But I was led to a well known collector who after looking at photos, and further details, he believes it is original.
If he's correct, the cue was built in the 60's since it appears Delrin didn't appear on the scene till 62ish?

 

[Michael Webb]

That's why I focused in on that.

Definately stands out.
Thank you for showing it. I doubt that Mr. Martin pointed the screw like that in his converted Chicken coup shop as I've seen quite a few of his cues.

 

[cueman]

So if Delrin is correct and the approx build date is correct it seems the butt cap isn't original.
But I was led to a well known collector who after looking at photos, and further details, he believes it is original.
If he's correct, the cue was built in the 60's since it appears Delrin didn't appear on the scene till 62ish?

The butt cap in the picture is delrin. Why would you conclude it is not original?

 

[3kushn]

The butt cap in the picture is delrin. Why would you conclude it is not original?

Don't have any good reason other than most including myself thought he possibly only used ivory.
The guy I purchased it from has only had it for around 6 months. The guy he bought it from (3rd owner) believed these parts were
repairs. Possibly the repairman was Martin. I don't know. I do know I'm happy to have it regardless.

 

[Michael Webb]

So if Delrin is correct and the approx build date is correct it seems the butt cap isn't original.
But I was led to a well known collector who after looking at photos, and further details, he believes it is original.
If he's correct, the cue was built in the 60's since it appears Delrin didn't appear on the scene till 62ish?

A shot in the dark but
Acetol Polymer was introduced in the mid 50's.

 

[3kushn]

A shot in the dark but
Acetol Polymer was introduced in the mid 50's.

Ya, I only spent 5 minutes and used Wiki. Not 100% reliable. I think it agreed with you but there were issues for certain applications but if I remember right the Trade name "Delrin" didn't come out till early 60's.
None of this really matters. Just having a little fun research vs current events.

 

[cueman]

Don't have any good reason other than most including myself thought he possibly only used ivory.
The guy I purchased it from has only had it for around 6 months. The guy he bought it from (3rd owner) believed these parts were
repairs. Possibly the repairman was Martin. I don't know. I do know I'm happy to have it regardless.

I own two Martins and both have Ivory Joints and Delrin butt plates.

 

[SBC]

No way that joint is right...buttcap looks much too new/ clear.