What about deflection? How does it compare to the 314-2? Also, what size table do you play on?
Thanks,
KMRUNOUT
Has anyone tried the new Schon Hybrid Shafts?
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What about deflection? How does it compare to the 314-2? Also, what size table do you play on?
Thanks,
KMRUNOUT
Well, I've previously tried a z2 and a 314-2 and could feel the hollowness, especially the 314. I like the Jacoby Hybrid shaft but the ex pro is stiffer. I can move the cue ball with less effort. Also, the Zan tip is providing excellent feel and spin. A very strong teammate did a deflection test with my ex pro and found the deflection to match his z2.
I wish Mezz would have a booth at the expo to test their many shafts. I was reluctant to buy this shaft given the price, but am happy I did.
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So then for you the perfect shaft has 1) stiffness 2) gives the perception that you can move the cue ball easily 3) deflection similar to a Predator Z2
That covers it?
I've never tried that particular shaft. I do not recall if Mezz had a booth at the expo this year, but they certainly have in years past. I tried the WD700. The construction and fit and finish was excellent, seemed like very high quality. Hit good, but wasn't especially low deflection. I'll try that one out next chance I get. I would also be curious to hear the details of your teammates "deflection test".
Thanks for the reply,
KMRUNOUT
Yes. Maybe I was hyperbolic with my initial statement. The ex pro is the perfect shaft for me, YMMV. Very low deflection, nice taper, stiff hit.
My friend set up two balls near a corner pocket, practically in the jaws. At the far end of a 9' table, 1 diamond from the head rail, he hits very hard with 2 tips of right, aiming square on the right ball. He bases the deflection based on where contact is made.
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Try the WX900. If you like the Z shafts from Predator, you'll love the WX. 12mm tip. And it really moves the ball, but plays a little stiffer than the Z2 and Z3.
The carbon cored Mezz shafts deflect more than the 700 and 900s, but they move the ball effortlessly. You have to adjust your game when you switch to one. I am playing Mezz cues and shafts now, and I don't think I've ever played better.
Try them out. They are a quality product.
I would say the deflection is between a 314-2 and an original 314. The worst part so far is getting used to the longer ferrule after playing with predator shafts for the last 10 or so years. I dont feel the dead spot the 314-2 had with this hybrid. So far ive been playing on 7ft tables. I feel to have more consistent control of cue ball with the schon shaft. This is using my stl3.
I just wanted to chime in. I am no expert, but I have tried the Ld's and talked to those in the industry a holy grail hunt for understanding..... and that "optimal shaft." Opinions vary, and I can only speak from my personal point of view and knowledge gleaned from cuemakers and discerning players.
I have tried the jacoby edge, the mezz hybrid, w700, the pred s-tuned z2, LD's and will be getting the Schon LD shortly.
However, as far as quality of wood, and a nice-even uniform light coloring that many lack, the Pechauer's pro lite plus, that I bought from member nsafellow with "his specs," has been a better looking, better quality wood (not as easy to ding as the others, a plus); , even has no bleaching, & has been my favorite to date.
I agree with Malibu Mike and others re: the taper and differening construction making or breaking the hit, or feel of a cue. Hope to try a micarta Schon in the future Mike. But MIke, I have to state that your pic of your jacoby hybrid i unassuming basic plain text font is unlike any one that I have ever seen.
CORRECTION: Sorry malibu mike and others.. I just found out that Jacoby blanks sent to Schon have been etched to say jacoby like the one pictured by mike... I had just never seen it.
I did like my edge hybrid, but the peach specs under NSAfellow resulted in a smaller tip (12mm) as compared to my Edge's 12.5mm while the Peach also gradually increased from the tip to the shaft base in comparison w the edge as well. I was wondering why I liked it, and it came down to such comparison. I had a bit more stability and perceived thickness looking down the Peach shaft to the tip, bringing confidence, and ultimately had the best of all worlds by combining such with a smaller tip. Logically makes sense. I also had a bit larger size for my closed bridge w the peach, that just worked better, than the thinner Edge.
I am likely to get the same specs through NSAfellow whom uses it for his shooting and many collection cues and whom I have bought shafts before.
Let's face it the industry has been using lower quality wood to make these LDs, and getting radial consistancy in theory to even out the strengths as well as weaknesses of any wavy natural maple shafts...The older maple shafts of past have had higher quality, that could not easily been hidden to cuemakers.
You can usually see the variation of color from differing quality woodsin the lds... and my discussion with the more educated in the industry have praised the Pechauers as under rated... and that they have better qualiity. I agree.
I have heard that the Schon LD has been well received and comparable to the Peach's in look and look forward to getting the new LD to fit my Schon. Schon would naturally not enter the arean late in the game with anything less than a quality product
I have tried the jacoby edge, the mezz hybrid, w700, the pred s-tuned z2, LD's and will be getting the Schon LD shortly.
However, as far as quality of wood, and a nice-even uniform light coloring that many lack, the Pechauer's pro lite plus, that I bought from member nsafellow with "his specs," has been a better looking, better quality wood (not as easy to ding as the others, a plus); , even has no bleaching, & has been my favorite to date.
I agree with Malibu Mike and others re: the taper and differening construction making or breaking the hit, or feel of a cue. Hope to try a micarta Schon in the future Mike. But MIke, I have to state that your pic of your jacoby hybrid i unassuming basic plain text font is unlike any one that I have ever seen.
CORRECTION: Sorry malibu mike and others.. I just found out that Jacoby blanks sent to Schon have been etched to say jacoby like the one pictured by mike... I had just never seen it.
I did like my edge hybrid, but the peach specs under NSAfellow resulted in a smaller tip (12mm) as compared to my Edge's 12.5mm while the Peach also gradually increased from the tip to the shaft base in comparison w the edge as well. I was wondering why I liked it, and it came down to such comparison. I had a bit more stability and perceived thickness looking down the Peach shaft to the tip, bringing confidence, and ultimately had the best of all worlds by combining such with a smaller tip. Logically makes sense. I also had a bit larger size for my closed bridge w the peach, that just worked better, than the thinner Edge.
I am likely to get the same specs through NSAfellow whom uses it for his shooting and many collection cues and whom I have bought shafts before.
Let's face it the industry has been using lower quality wood to make these LDs, and getting radial consistancy in theory to even out the strengths as well as weaknesses of any wavy natural maple shafts...The older maple shafts of past have had higher quality, that could not easily been hidden to cuemakers.
You can usually see the variation of color from differing quality woodsin the lds... and my discussion with the more educated in the industry have praised the Pechauers as under rated... and that they have better qualiity. I agree.
I have heard that the Schon LD has been well received and comparable to the Peach's in look and look forward to getting the new LD to fit my Schon. Schon would naturally not enter the arean late in the game with anything less than a quality product
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This, plus a short ferrule is what I have been using lately. The shafts I've had this done to are made from stiffer, lighter maple. One weighs 2.75 oz even with a brass insert. I like it better than all the commercial LD shafts.
Still waiting for REVO 12mm-12.5mm shafts to happen....
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What is the weight of the new Schon Hybrid LD?
MalibuMike
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Whoa! I just tried a new amazing shaft!
As you can see from below I have tried a ton of shafts, and then went back to Schon Micarta 80's shafts. Just got a new Mezz shaft and it is amazing! It is pricey but nothing hits like the new 30" Mezz EXPROShaft with a PreciSion Tip from Dennis Searing (Medium) I played with the HP II and was not that impressed as I hate the feel of cored shafts, but this new Mezz Feels awesome!
Still love the Schon Hybrid! But this is a whole new level of shaft!
As you can see from below I have tried a ton of shafts, and then went back to Schon Micarta 80's shafts. Just got a new Mezz shaft and it is amazing! It is pricey but nothing hits like the new 30" Mezz EXPROShaft with a PreciSion Tip from Dennis Searing (Medium) I played with the HP II and was not that impressed as I hate the feel of cored shafts, but this new Mezz Feels awesome!
Still love the Schon Hybrid! But this is a whole new level of shaft!
I've played with the same old Micarta Schon since the early 90s and not a single cue I've ever hit played even close to it. I don't completely understand the fascination with all of the new LD shafts...
Best feeling LD shaft in my opinion.
Extremely stiff hit—feels as stiff as my Schon maple shaft.
MalibuMike
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Yes Both the mezz hybrid pro 2 & ExPro hit the Stiffest!
Yes Both the mezz hybrid pro 2 & ExPro hit the Stiffest!
I'm loving the new Mezz ExPro and The new Jacoby Ultra 12.9mm!
Also I received an advanced soon to be released New Tiger Pro-X,
it also hits on the stiff side and all 3 of the above cues have negligible squirt or deflection! Awesome Shafts!
Yes Both the mezz hybrid pro 2 & ExPro hit the Stiffest!
I'm loving the new Mezz ExPro and The new Jacoby Ultra 12.9mm!
Also I received an advanced soon to be released New Tiger Pro-X,
it also hits on the stiff side and all 3 of the above cues have negligible squirt or deflection! Awesome Shafts!
