Has Europe Passed Asia at Pool?

Jay/Stu,

Not sure if either of you saw my post last week so I'm going to quote you and link it here.

I agree with most of what you've written and am open minded in those minority differences. Thank you for the discussion!

Jay/Demetrius:

You are not just two valued friends, but I view both of you as gurus of pool and the pool scene.

I'm not so sure that I agree with you guys that the eager students aren't out there. On a theoretical level, it's easy for those who teach anything to brush off a failure to turn out high-achieving students to a lack of able and willing students. I just don't like the sound of it when it comes to pool, and it doesn't jive with my own observations, and I have made hundreds of trips to Europe in my life and have been around many of the poolrooms of Europe.

Some of our most knowledgeable European posters have opined that there are ten nine ball players in America for every one nine ball player in Europe. The emergence of European pool over the past twenty-five years, they say, is a result of better training and better leagues. No doubt, the league systems of Europe, most notably the German Bundesliga, are a potential training ground for youthful players that America lacks, and there's no doubt that this has been a springboard for at least some youthful players to get both excited and serious about pool. As we know, one such player is the recent hall of fame inductee Thorsten Hohmann, who won the World Championship in his early twenties, and there are others.

So, yes, some vehicles do exist in Europe to gather more young talent and develop it than in the United States, but let's not pretend that if you walk into a European pool room that young players are all over the place much more than it is true here in America.

Whatever view one takes, one must still ask why Americans that HAVE chosen to try to excel at pool and have put in the work are achieving so little. Better yet, one must ponder why America has produced just one player (Van Boening) whose career began after 2000 that looks like a sure bet for the BCA Hall of Fame. Surely, you're not saying that the "participation problem" is over twenty years old? Not saying it isn't, but I'm not inclined to believe it.

On another level, it is easier to develop one's professional pedigree here in America, where the number of regional and national tournaments is vast. Many European based players understood this and moved here, including Immonen, Appleton, and Shaw. Others, such as Souquet, simply travelled to every big event in America for decades.

I'm not as fast as you guys to give a pass to the pool instruction profession. Of course, they are just one part of the equation in why American players haven't accomplished more. I think it's a problem we need to own rather than deny if we are to turn things around.

All that said, I see a few promising young Americans out there in like Shane Wolford, Eric Roberts, Nathan Childress, and Landon Hollingsworth. The even younger Lucas Fracasso-Verner of Connecticut just won a Joss event. Fifteen-year-old Kashton Keaton recently beat both Billy Thorpe and Can Salim in a tournament in Ohio, so that looks promising, too. Maybe one or more of these guys, all 21 and under (I think), will deliver America from its doldrums. I know I'll be rooting hard for all of them.
 
Jay/Stu,

Not sure if either of you saw my post last week so I'm going to quote you and link it here.

I agree with most of what you've written and am open minded in those minority differences. Thank you for the discussion!

Thank you so much for sharing your post with me again. Sometimes I may respond on a thread without reading all the posts beforehand, which is what I did on this thread. In reading your post I see so much that aligns with mine. They appear to complement each other from our different points of view. You more than support my observation that most (nearly all) instruction is with players who are not interested in becoming pros. And that there is a lack of incentive for young people to become dedicated pool players. Where we may differ slightly is that the incentive may actually be starting to appear in the form of more high dollar events, although the fact that many them are in Europe could discourage some young American players from making the necessary efforts to become a pro player. That could change though. The status quo for a very long time was that for a pro pool player to make a living he had to come to the USA. That model is surely shifting to Europe and could be why we are seeing so many strong young European players emerging now.

I think we both agree that to become a top pro player you need to start young and I'm glad to hear that you are working with some young players. Age 13 is a late start as far as I'm concerned but not too late. Their young bodies and frames are just beginning to really develop and they are at a perfect age to grow into competive athletes. I suspect most high level athletes in other sports got serious about their respective sport at a similar age, although I strongly believe it is even better to start earlier at sports like tennis, golf and pool. Many of our best pool players from the past and in the present were already quite competent at age 13. Once again, 13 is a late start but not too late. It's kind of right on the cusp so to speak.

As for me I got serious about pool at age 18 and was a very dedicated player for the next ten years and reached a good level of play after the first three years of daily play and practice. Shortstop level is what I was labeled at. It was only years later in my late 20's and early 30's that I realized that I got a late start and would never really catch up with the top guys. Maybe another young man in my position would have redoubled his efforts to improve and gotten better, but I had gotten into poolroom ownership and was doing well with that and no longer aspired to be a top pro.

I very much like your honesty in admitting you are limited in what you can teach a young player because of your own inexperience. Most pool players are not able to discuss their own limitations and tend to elevate their game to the highest level possible, when they can rarely play at that level with any consistency. I can remember when I played at my highest level and encountering guys like Larry Lisciotti, Jimmy Marino and Billy Johnson (Wade Crane). They put me in my place and ended any illusions I had about being a top player. It was eye opening for me to see that, just when I thought I could really play the game, there were guys who were a full speed or two above me. They actually came looking for me at my poolroom, since I was prone to take on all comers.

Thank you again Demetri for sharing your knowledge on here. You are one of my favorite posters. People often say none of the good players post on here and I say that's totally false. There are many very good and knowledgeable pool players posting on here and you are one of them.
 
I am really enjoying this debate. A lot of years of experience and knowledge here. It is a shame more pros don't participate.
 
Thank you Stu and Jay!

When I talked about participation, I wasn't referring to the number of pool players in the US. I was referring to the number of pool players who consistently competed in international competition. Starting with Mike D, Oscar, and Bergman, down to Chip Compton, Anthony Meglino, Donny Mills, Tony Chohan, and Pinegar. If all of those players were competing full time they would likely all be on top of their games and some of them would improve from that level of competition. If that continued for a few years we might see a better reflection on US pool. And I believe they'd learn far more from doing this than taking lessons while staying home.

If we want to get more US players to the top of pool we need more players who compete in all events. And it is important that it is the next generation, not the last generation. I agree with Jay as well. When I said I was training with 13 year olds I wasn't referring to beginners. I'm talking about kids that started at 6 or 8 and are now able to take sets off of me. I've worked with a couple and they are hitting them really, really strong. As an example one of them won 2/4 nine ball sets we played a few months ago, and last time I played them they ran a 3 pack of 10 ball on me.

I think there is hope in our junior players. We can quibble over what the recipe is, but we're really only debating the proportions, not the ingredients. But we have all of the right ingredients. We have a large group of young players hungry to get to the top. They have instructors, be it me (or Oscar who is coaching Adrian Prasad) and they also have a ton of access to online instructional videos and streamed international play. They have a Junior tour in Ra's JIC. With social media they can see first hand how the top players train and play and how to get from here to there. And due to social media they have more sponsorship and support than ever before.

I think the international pool scene is going to get more competitive than ever. Jay points out the increase in money in pool, but I don't think that changes how tough the journey is. I think the problem remains and it just scales differently. If there is only room for 3 players to make a good living year in and year out then maybe you have 150 players fighting for those 3 spots. If prize money grows to where there are 15 players making a good living I feel that we'd end up with 500-1000 players trying to fight for those spots. Maybe it's not exactly the same ratio, but my point is that there will always be tremendous competition for those top spots. And as the bar gets raised again and again in terms of the work players are putting in, it will balance out the advantages I mentioned above and remain incredibly difficult for anyone to get to that level.

However the road is there, we have players in the mix heading down that road, and they have as good a chance as any to get to the top. It will be interesting to see how it develops and I will be rooting them on and supporting them as best I can.
 
Thank you Stu and Jay!

When I talked about participation, I wasn't referring to the number of pool players in the US. I was referring to the number of pool players who consistently competed in international competition. Starting with Mike D, Oscar, and Bergman, down to Chip Compton, Anthony Meglino, Donny Mills, Tony Chohan, and Pinegar. If all of those players were competing full time they would likely all be on top of their games and some of them would improve from that level of competition. If that continued for a few years we might see a better reflection on US pool. And I believe they'd learn far more from doing this than taking lessons while staying home.

If we want to get more US players to the top of pool we need more players who compete in all events. And it is important that it is the next generation, not the last generation. I agree with Jay as well. When I said I was training with 13 year olds I wasn't referring to beginners. I'm talking about kids that started at 6 or 8 and are now able to take sets off of me. I've worked with a couple and they are hitting them really, really strong. As an example one of them won 2/4 nine ball sets we played a few months ago, and last time I played them they ran a 3 pack of 10 ball on me.

I think there is hope in our junior players. We can quibble over what the recipe is, but we're really only debating the proportions, not the ingredients. But we have all of the right ingredients. We have a large group of young players hungry to get to the top. They have instructors, be it me (or Oscar who is coaching Adrian Prasad) and they also have a ton of access to online instructional videos and streamed international play. They have a Junior tour in Ra's JIC. With social media they can see first hand how the top players train and play and how to get from here to there. And due to social media they have more sponsorship and support than ever before.

I think the international pool scene is going to get more competitive than ever. Jay points out the increase in money in pool, but I don't think that changes how tough the journey is. I think the problem remains and it just scales differently. If there is only room for 3 players to make a good living year in and year out then maybe you have 150 players fighting for those 3 spots. If prize money grows to where there are 15 players making a good living I feel that we'd end up with 500-1000 players trying to fight for those spots. Maybe it's not exactly the same ratio, but my point is that there will always be tremendous competition for those top spots. And as the bar gets raised again and again in terms of the work players are putting in, it will balance out the advantages I mentioned above and remain incredibly difficult for anyone to get to that level.

However the road is there, we have players in the mix heading down that road, and they have as good a chance as any to get to the top. It will be interesting to see how it develops and I will be rooting them on and supporting them as best I can.
Thank you for this D Man. I once told a young SVB there is always room at the top if you're good enough. And he went on to prove to me that he was! I'm so glad that you mentioned Ra Hanna's Junior International Championships (JIC). It is designed to be a stepping stone for young players to make the transition to playing professionally. I wholeheartedly support Ra for what he is doing for young players in America and I suspect that some of the kids you are working with will be playing on his tour. There was never anything quite like this (only the once a year BEF) before Ra came along. There are even bigger things ahead for Ra and the JIC which we will be hearing more about in due time. Let's just say that grass does not grow under his feet!
 
The emergence of European pool over the past twenty-five years, they say, is a result of better training and better leagues. No doubt, the league systems of Europe, most notably the German Bundesliga, are a potential training ground for youthful players that America lacks, and there's no doubt that this has been a springboard for at least some youthful players to get both excited and serious about pool.
I totally agree with your opinion, but I just want to add, that the Bundesliga is in some way a bad example for the league system in Europe, since it has developed into kind of a pro/ semi pro league, which is kind of the last step for an aspiring new talent.
On a side note it will be interesting to see if the Bundesliga can keep it's standards now that there will be more opportunities for the pros in the future.

Anyway, what non Europeans have to understand, that even "normal" local leagues in Europe can have quite high standards, because pros and semi pros feel attached to their clubs and friends.

I have played two former vice European Champions and a national team player in the past two month during normal league play and a simple club tournament.
Which for me personally kind of sucked, because they rolled over me like a tsunami.
BUT this...lets call it experience...cost me nothing. I don't have to pay entry fees for a big tournament or have to gamble away lots of my money to play very, very strong players.
And this is the same for 14 or 15 year old teenagers, they get in touch with high level play right from the start. They can learn from the best right from the start.

This is why some of the young Europeans are so routined in high level play.
 
I totally agree with your opinion, but I just want to add, that the Bundesliga is in some way a bad example for the league system in Europe, since it has developed into kind of a pro/ semi pro league, which is kind of the last step for an aspiring new talent.
On a side note it will be interesting to see if the Bundesliga can keep it's standards now that there will be more opportunities for the pros in the future.

Anyway, what non Europeans have to understand, that even "normal" local leagues in Europe can have quite high standards, because pros and semi pros feel attached to their clubs and friends.

I have played two former vice European Champions and a national team player in the past two month during normal league play and a simple club tournament.
Which for me personally kind of sucked, because they rolled over me like a tsunami.
BUT this...lets call it experience...cost me nothing. I don't have to pay entry fees for a big tournament or have to gamble away lots of my money to play very, very strong players.
And this is the same for 14 or 15 year old teenagers, they get in touch with high level play right from the start. They can learn from the best right from the start.

This is why some of the young Europeans are so routined in high level play.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. European posters like you are part of the backbone of the AZ forum.
 
Took me a while to register, but wanted to add a few words. I moved to the NYC from Germany 15+ years ago and was already playing pool in Germany. What struck me here the most was that almost every event you go to is handicapped; outside of some Open/Pro tournaments.

Raxx and Steinway's had weekly open tournaments years ago. Right now everything is handicapped here. The best thing we had here in the area was Tony's Predator Tour. Still handicapped, but only games on the wire and split brackets. I think the lack of even competition is hurting the US players advancing. I am too old and have not enough time to become a pro, but as a B-player, I would still like to improve and challenge myself. If I go somewhere and I have to give somebody (who got a random handicap) the last 2 balls in a single elimination, I am already turned off from the start.

When playing/living in Germany I wished there were more tournaments. The German league system is nice, but also german-over-engineering at its best. For sports in Germany to get certain recognition (funds for national teams, training structure, workers comp kind of protection, tax benefits for clubs to build club houses,....) they have to organize in a country-wide league system with relegation. For example, the same happened to Tennis.

The good thing about it is it's enabling everybody to compete even on their skill level.

The bad thing is they forced pool to be a team sport. You need to find a club with a team on your level. Then sign up for at least a season and commit every Sunday to play. You have to cover Straight, 9-, 10- and 8-Ball, 2 games for each player in even races. Distance varies by league level. Depending on travel and size of the club/location you can spend all Sunday for 2 matches. If there was a tournament, it had to be sanctioned by the German DBU or players would risk to be punished.

One of the best things in this country-wide structure in Germany are those country/district/state championships. You can start at the county tournament. The best 8 qualify for the district, the best 8 there qualify for the state. The best there get a ticket for the german championship. To be part of this, you have to be part of a team in the league system, though.

I think there is a place for things like the APA, to promote the sport. But it's not helping in getting better players at the top. I feel like in the US, there is not enough opportunity for advanced/ambitious players between local bar leagues and open/pro events.
 
Took me a while to register, but wanted to add a few words. I moved to the NYC from Germany 15+ years ago and was already playing pool in Germany. What struck me here the most was that almost every event you go to is handicapped; outside of some Open/Pro tournaments.

Raxx and Steinway's had weekly open tournaments years ago. Right now everything is handicapped here. The best thing we had here in the area was Tony's Predator Tour. Still handicapped, but only games on the wire and split brackets. I think the lack of even competition is hurting the US players advancing. I am too old and have not enough time to become a pro, but as a B-player, I would still like to improve and challenge myself. If I go somewhere and I have to give somebody (who got a random handicap) the last 2 balls in a single elimination, I am already turned off from the start.

When playing/living in Germany I wished there were more tournaments. The German league system is nice, but also german-over-engineering at its best. For sports in Germany to get certain recognition (funds for national teams, training structure, workers comp kind of protection, tax benefits for clubs to build club houses,....) they have to organize in a country-wide league system with relegation. For example, the same happened to Tennis.

The good thing about it is it's enabling everybody to compete even on their skill level.

The bad thing is they forced pool to be a team sport. You need to find a club with a team on your level. Then sign up for at least a season and commit every Sunday to play. You have to cover Straight, 9-, 10- and 8-Ball, 2 games for each player in even races. Distance varies by league level. Depending on travel and size of the club/location you can spend all Sunday for 2 matches. If there was a tournament, it had to be sanctioned by the German DBU or players would risk to be punished.

One of the best things in this country-wide structure in Germany are those country/district/state championships. You can start at the county tournament. The best 8 qualify for the district, the best 8 there qualify for the state. The best there get a ticket for the german championship. To be part of this, you have to be part of a team in the league system, though.

I think there is a place for things like the APA, to promote the sport. But it's not helping in getting better players at the top. I feel like in the US, there is not enough opportunity for advanced/ambitious players between local bar leagues and open/pro events.
A most interesting post. Thanks for sharing your views and experiences.
 
Took me a while to register, but wanted to add a few words. I moved to the NYC from Germany 15+ years ago and was already playing pool in Germany. What struck me here the most was that almost every event you go to is handicapped; outside of some Open/Pro tournaments.

Raxx and Steinway's had weekly open tournaments years ago. Right now everything is handicapped here. The best thing we had here in the area was Tony's Predator Tour. Still handicapped, but only games on the wire and split brackets. I think the lack of even competition is hurting the US players advancing. I am too old and have not enough time to become a pro, but as a B-player, I would still like to improve and challenge myself. If I go somewhere and I have to give somebody (who got a random handicap) the last 2 balls in a single elimination, I am already turned off from the start.

When playing/living in Germany I wished there were more tournaments. The German league system is nice, but also german-over-engineering at its best. For sports in Germany to get certain recognition (funds for national teams, training structure, workers comp kind of protection, tax benefits for clubs to build club houses,....) they have to organize in a country-wide league system with relegation. For example, the same happened to Tennis.

The good thing about it is it's enabling everybody to compete even on their skill level.

The bad thing is they forced pool to be a team sport. You need to find a club with a team on your level. Then sign up for at least a season and commit every Sunday to play. You have to cover Straight, 9-, 10- and 8-Ball, 2 games for each player in even races. Distance varies by league level. Depending on travel and size of the club/location you can spend all Sunday for 2 matches. If there was a tournament, it had to be sanctioned by the German DBU or players would risk to be punished.

One of the best things in this country-wide structure in Germany are those country/district/state championships. You can start at the county tournament. The best 8 qualify for the district, the best 8 there qualify for the state. The best there get a ticket for the german championship. To be part of this, you have to be part of a team in the league system, though.

I think there is a place for things like the APA, to promote the sport. But it's not helping in getting better players at the top. I feel like in the US, there is not enough opportunity for advanced/ambitious players between local bar leagues and open/pro events.
The league in Austria is similarily structured like in Germany, but with less bureaucracy throughout. Each county has it's own league, then there's the nation-wide Bundesliga on top with two sub-divisions beneath, all run by the ÖPBV (national association). Every single club in the country can build teams as they like and compete in that system. There's no handicap or regulation that states that pros, semi-pros or whoever else isn't allowed to play. If your team wins the league in your county, you may compete with the other teams who did so for a spot in the two divisions under the Bundesliga and so on.

Beside the league system, every player who is a member of a club can compete in different monthly tournaments, gain points to (ultimatily) get a chance to qualify for the national championship. If you win in a discipline there (8, 9, 10-ball and Straight pool) you automatically get a spot for the European championship in that discipline.
 
Took me a while to register, but wanted to add a few words. I moved to the NYC from Germany 15+ years ago and was already playing pool in Germany. What struck me here the most was that almost every event you go to is handicapped; outside of some Open/Pro tournaments.

Raxx and Steinway's had weekly open tournaments years ago. Right now everything is handicapped here. The best thing we had here in the area was Tony's Predator Tour. Still handicapped, but only games on the wire and split brackets. I think the lack of even competition is hurting the US players advancing. I am too old and have not enough time to become a pro, but as a B-player, I would still like to improve and challenge myself. If I go somewhere and I have to give somebody (who got a random handicap) the last 2 balls in a single elimination, I am already turned off from the start.

When playing/living in Germany I wished there were more tournaments. The German league system is nice, but also german-over-engineering at its best. For sports in Germany to get certain recognition (funds for national teams, training structure, workers comp kind of protection, tax benefits for clubs to build club houses,....) they have to organize in a country-wide league system with relegation. For example, the same happened to Tennis.

The good thing about it is it's enabling everybody to compete even on their skill level.

The bad thing is they forced pool to be a team sport. You need to find a club with a team on your level. Then sign up for at least a season and commit every Sunday to play. You have to cover Straight, 9-, 10- and 8-Ball, 2 games for each player in even races. Distance varies by league level. Depending on travel and size of the club/location you can spend all Sunday for 2 matches. If there was a tournament, it had to be sanctioned by the German DBU or players would risk to be punished.

One of the best things in this country-wide structure in Germany are those country/district/state championships. You can start at the county tournament. The best 8 qualify for the district, the best 8 there qualify for the state. The best there get a ticket for the german championship. To be part of this, you have to be part of a team in the league system, though.

I think there is a place for things like the APA, to promote the sport. But it's not helping in getting better players at the top. I feel like in the US, there is not enough opportunity for advanced/ambitious players between local bar leagues and open/pro events.
You have to hand it to the Germans - they think big.
 
In Germany you need at least 4 Players to compete in 8 games. I think there are around 12 teams in each league. Not sure how they incorporated 10 Ball since I left.

The top tier Bundesliga has top players on their own, but also attracts players like Niels Feien to be signed up and play a matchday, whenever schedule allows. Back then I would consider the 2 top tiers (Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2) as Open/Pro. You then have 4-7 or 8 levels below, depending on geographics.

Another crazy thing: In Germany, once your sport is organized that way, the government has funds to support promising players. The German Army has a "Sports Battalion", where promising, e.g. Ski talents, get a "Job" giving them time to practice and compete on a pro level for a while.
 
Thanks for a fascinating post. It's very uplifting.

The only footnote I'll add is that one of the measures of an instructor is the extent to which he/she inspires his/her students. If, as you suggest, America lacks enough players that are sufficiently committed to becoming first-flight players, I think that America's instructors have at least some accountability for it.
Stu, Thanks for all of your insights on this topic, I think there are a few things you are missing here, I will do my best to point them out in a tactful and respectful manner.

The BCA has the Instructor program, why aren't they accountable?

I think most of us instructors have full time jobs minus the few are full time retired and can instruct when ever, My mentor Scott Lee worked harder then anybody I know traveling the country to make peanuts he did it because he loved to teach the game he loved so much. Hard to make a living from instructing when not enough people want to pay the price for quality instruction.

Another problem we have is, Americans have a mind set of "If you can't beat me you can't teach me" which is BS and we all know it. I know quite a few 740+ Fargo Rated players that don't have an eye Pattern in their PSR and that is just one example of the many things I have noticed.

Lets hold the Student accountable as well, I can't count on how many time I have these really motivated students, I teach them the fundamentals, then I show them offense, defense, kicking, banking and the mental side of the game, they make huge improvements then all of a sudden their game declines, have a bad attitude because they are getting beat by people they were spotting balls and games to ETC. then when you ask if they are still doing their training method/outline and they say NO! It is really disappointing when you see that. Everyone wants to be a PRO until they have to do the hard work to get there

Until the mindset changes in America that formal instruction is a way to go (I do see a change happening at a slow rate) we are still going to be behind everyone else in the world of pool.

Stu, I think you are one of the most knowledgeable people on here and value everything you have to say.
 
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Stu, the BCA has the Instructor program, why aren't they accountable?

I think there are a few things that you are missing here, most of us instructors have full time jobs minus the few are full time retired and can instruct when ever, My mentor Scott Lee worked harder then anybody I know traveling the country to make peanuts he did it because he loved to teach the game he loved so much. Hard to make a living from instructing when no one wants to pay the price for quality instruction.

Another problem we have is, Americans have a mind set of "If you can't beat me you can't teach me" which is BS and we all know it. I know quite a few 740+ Fargo Rated players that don't have an eye Pattern in their PSR and that is just one example of the many things I have noticed.

Lets hold the Student accountable as well, I can't count on how many time I have these really motivated students, I teach them the fundaments, then I show them offense, defense, kicking, banking and the mental side of the game, they make huge improvements then all of a sudden their game declines, have a bad attitude because they are getting beat by people they were spotting balls and games to ETC. then when you ask if they are still doing their training method/outline and they say NO! It is really disappointing when you see that. Everyone wants to be a PRO until they have to do the hard work to get there.

Until the mindset changes in America that formal instruction is a way to go (I do see a change happening at a slow rate) we are still going to be behind everyone else in the world of pool.
For the most part, I agree with all of this.

I do feel that both the students and the teachers must share accountability for America's failure to produce elite talent in pool relative to Europe and Asia over the last fifteen years or so. Thanks for sharing your views.

Finally, Scott Lee was my friend and we broke bread together on numerous occasions. I miss him.
 
For the most part, I agree with all of this.

I do feel that both the students and the teachers must share accountability for America's failure to produce elite talent in pool relative to Europe and Asia over the last fifteen years or so. Thanks for sharing your views.

Finally, Scott Lee was my friend and we broke bread together on numerous occasions. I miss him.
Scott and I had many conversations about his travels and he mentioned you many times along with Mark Finkelstein and a few others on the East Coast. Scott had a lot of great ideas one of which was to have 3 locations East Coast, Mid West and the West Coast with a billiard academy with full time instructors where students could come and stay while receiving instruction. His traveling instruction course he had that was sponsored by Predator was just the beginning but saw troubles in the first couple of courses when not enough students signed up and Scott ended up losing money having to pay instructors out of his pocket. He never gave up that idea even though it cost him money, he paused it and was in the process of restructuring his model.
 
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Scott and I had many conversations about his travels and he mentioned you many times along with Mark Finkelstein and a few others on the East Coast. Scott had a lot of great ideas one of which was to have 3 locations East Coast, Mid West and the West Coast with a billiard academy with full time instructors where students could come and stay while receiving instruction. His traveling instruction course he had that was sponsored by Predator was just the beginning but saw troubles in the first couple of courses when not enough students signed up and Scott ended up losing money having to pay instructors out of his pocket. He never gave up that idea even though it cost him money, he paused it and was in the process of restructuring his model.
Thanks for sharing this. As we both know, Scott was very committed to his craft.
 
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