Has your local pool hall (here in the US) opened back up yet?

[fastone371]

Must be nice to live in fantasy land. Until people know that they're not going to get sick by coming in poolrooms are not going to make it. So called" creative promotions" aren't going to change this. Even without covid a lot of rooms had trouble staying alive. It will be worse in the coming months. Why would anyone roll dice with their health just to play pool?

First the public needs to know what is truth about this virus and how deadly it really is. There are stories that we are being lied to and that they are calling almost all current deaths Covid related whether they actually are or not. The only truth I know is that my wife works for Aurora and as of yesterday all of the Aurora hospitals in the state of WI had only 109 Covid patients admitted. That hardly sounds like hospitals are being overwhelmed. Until all people are tested (and only if they show antibodies after having the illness) we will not know the true extent of this virus. I believe the closest real info we have is from the cruise ships where all were subjected to the virus, the sickness and death rates on the cruise ship did not appear much worse than the flu.

 

[logical]

First the public needs to know what is truth about this virus and how deadly it really is. There are stories that we are being lied to and that they are calling almost all current deaths Covid related whether they actually are or not. The only truth I know is that my wife works for Aurora and as of yesterday all of the Aurora hospitals in the state of WI had only 109 Covid patients admitted. That hardly sounds like hospitals are being overwhelmed. Until all people are tested (and only if they show antibodies after having the illness) we will not know the true extent of this virus. I believe the closest real info we have is from the cruise ships where all were subjected to the virus, the sickness and death rates on the cruise ship did not appear much worse than the flu.

Your data is one hospital system.... in Wisconsin.

Sent from the future.

 

[garczar]

Your data is one hospital system.... in Wisconsin.

Sent from the future.

Look at New Orleans. About 25,000 "known' cases and about 1,300 dead. There is not a "one size fits all" plan for this. Densely populated areas are going to have to deal with this a lot longer than more rural areas.

 

[David in FL]

Must be nice to live in fantasy land. Until people know that they're not going to get sick by coming in poolrooms are not going to make it. So called" creative promotions" aren't going to change this. Even without covid a lot of rooms had trouble staying alive. It will be worse in the coming months. Why would anyone roll dice with their health just to play pool?

Most people that I know don’t consider playing pool to be “rolling the dice with their health”.

Those that do, will stay away. That’s their choice, but make no mistake, the rooms that were busy 2 months ago, will be again as soon as restrictions are lifted.

 

[garczar]

Most people that I know don’t consider playing pool to be “rolling the dice with their health”.

Those that do, will stay away. That’s their choice, but make no mistake, the rooms that were busy 2 months ago, will be again as soon as restrictions are lifted.

As long as covid is active placing yourself in a poolroom close to others is rolling the dice. Don't be surprised if people get sick by doing so.

 

[David in FL]

As long as covid is active placing yourself in a poolroom close to others is rolling the dice. Don't be surprised if people get sick by doing so.

Yep. People die from the flu and in car crashes. They climb mountains, ride motorcycles, snow ski, and swim with sharks. You pays your nickel, you takes your chances.

Different people have different tolerance for risk. Accepting risk isn’t stupid any more than avoiding risk is cowardly. To each their own.

 

[ShootingArts]

some activities are higher risk than others

Some activities are higher percentage than others. Laying your hands on large flat surfaces thinly covered with cloth or a hard surface like the rails in an enclosed area seems higher risk than others. Anything airborne is going to settle on these surfaces.

Known cases and unknown make it very hard to figure death percentages. However, those that have a severe case sometimes seem to have severe lung damage, some reports of brain damage. All early so time will tell. Surviving the acute condition may not be the end of the story.

Known cases and death rates in Louisiana seem to indicate about a five percent death rate with the recovery rate not much more than half the death rate. Both the death rate and the recovery rates will go up as the situation matures of course. Most of the twenty-five or thirty thousand in Louisiana will recover. However even at five percent the covid 19 virus will kill twelve hundred people or so in Louisiana. Nursing home deaths are being underplayed also so the actual death count will be higher than claimed there. They are being pressured to list other causes for old people dying unless tested and known to have covid apparently.

Some hospitals have very low death rates, two percent or so. One hospital had a fairly large number of patients and a twenty-five percent death rate out of over one hundred cases! Definitely not the place I want to go for any kind of health care.

We are all big boys and girls and we will have to make decisions for ourselves. It might be remembered that we are making those decisions for our families, friends, and co-workers too, everyone close around us. Those immortal spring breakers that went out and partied, some came home and died. Some killed people around them.

If a person makes a living playing pool or poker they are going to have to get into action when they can. My pal with covid seems to have survived it without major issues. Unfortunately his friend and backer died of covid 19, the dice didn't fall his way! Who gave it to who or did it pass to both from outsiders? Nobody will ever know.

CYA applies, so does CMA. My lungs are toast already. Occupational hazards.

Hu

 

[garczar]

Yep. People die from the flu and in car crashes. They climb mountains, ride motorcycles, snow ski, and swim with sharks. You pays your nickel, you takes your chances.

Different people have different tolerance for risk. Accepting risk isn’t stupid any more than avoiding risk is cowardly. To each their own.

You can have covid-19 and be contagious, with ZERO symptoms, in 48hrs. Do really want to be in a poolroom and risk that. One person could infect the whole joint. Is hitting a few balls worth that? If so i'm glad you don't live near me. Pool can wait.

 

[David in FL]

You can have covid-19 and be contagious, with ZERO symptoms, in 48hrs. Do really want to be in a poolroom and risk that. One person could infect the whole joint. Is hitting a few balls worth that? If so i'm glad you don't live near me. Pool can wait.

Until when?

Are you going to stay locked in your house until a vaccine is available for you in a year (maybe)? A vaccine that will likely be less effective than that for the flu, which runs about 50% effectiveness...

Will you go to work? To the store? To a restaurant? On vacation?

Again, different people look at life’s risks differently. An old saying....‘tis better to die while you’re living, than to live while you’re dead. Perhaps a bit overstated, but the concept resonates nonetheless.

 

[JolietJames]

Some population centers are testing random people for antibodies. They are finding from 4-20% of people have them. If you extrapolate that to the rest of the state's in which the samples were taken, the beer flu mortality rate drops to around five one hundredths of one percent.
NY, as of last week had 3000 more deaths ytd than last year, while claiming over 11000 covid deaths. The last time they had a bad flu season the numbers were much higher than this year. The numbers simply do not support the panic unless you are willing to admit covid cures heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc.

 

[jtompilot]

Yep. People die from the flu and in car crashes. They climb mountains, ride motorcycles, snow ski, and swim with sharks. You pays your nickel, you takes your chances.

Different people have different tolerance for risk. Accepting risk isn’t stupid any more than avoiding risk is cowardly. To each their own.

Flu deaths 2019. Approximately 80,000
Auto deaths 2019. Approximately 38,000

COVID 19. Hopefully less than the 80,000 but still too many.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Went I was 17 I join the Military, I had been think for my self long before then. I made both good, and bad decisions in life.

If our Pool Rooms opens, I heading down to practice. Anyone who decides to stay home, no problem.

Just don't tell me how I should live life, unless government has given you that power. If you have such power don't abuse you authority.

We are adults, not minors. Parents look out for your kids.

 

[arnaldo]

. . . We are all big boys and girls and we will have to make decisions for ourselves. It might be remembered that we are making those decisions for our families, friends, and co-workers too, everyone close around us. Those immortal spring breakers that went out and partied, some came home and died. Some killed people around them.
Hu

This is such highly commendable wisdom on several levels. Not a word wasted and one hopes that it's firmly kept in mind by any players undecided about whether or not to rush back to a poolroom in a region that's been reopened much too early.

Sadly none of Hu's acute perspective will matter to fellows totally devoid of common sense or moral accountability to innocent friends, families, and nameless others with whom they interact regularly -- and will unquestionably be imperiled by an impatient pool-hungry player's mindless and dangerous urgency.

Arnaldo

 

[ShootingArts]

something else that bites

This is such highly commendable wisdom on several levels. Not a word wasted and one hopes that it's firmly kept in mind by any players undecided about whether or not to rush back to a poolroom in a region that's been reopened much too early.

Sadly none of Hu's acute perspective will matter to fellows totally devoid of common sense or moral accountability to innocent friends, families, and nameless others with whom they interact regularly -- and will unquestionably be imperiled by an impatient pool-hungry player's mindless and dangerous urgency.

Arnaldo

Arnaldo,

My friend that got the covid 19 virus hasn't been able to see his young son for weeks. It will be weeks more before he can. Very hard on both of them!

Hu

 

[pt109]

Went I was 17 I join the Military, I had been think for my self long before then. I made both good, and bad decisions in life.

If our Pool Rooms opens, I heading down to practice. Anyone who decides to stay home, no problem.

Just don't tell me how I should live life, unless government has given you that power. If you have such power don't abuse you authority.

We are adults, not minors. Parents look out for your kids.

If you’re a carrier, you’re making decisions for other people also...

...a peeing section in a swimming pool doesn’t work so good.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

If you’re a carrier, you’re making decisions for other people also...

...a peeing section in a swimming pool doesn’t work so good.

If, like if I knew I could have bought Apple cheap, and today been a Billionaire. People play with if all the time, and don't do noting with life.

I live near a USAF Base, they train rookie pilots, should I worry one will crash on my home, No.

 

[David in FL]

If you’re a carrier, you’re making decisions for other people also...

...a peeing section in a swimming pool doesn’t work so good.

I’m curious. I’m assuming that you haven’t ventured outside of your own 4 walls for any reason at all, for several weeks now. At what point will you return to work, grocery shop, enter any retail store, or frequent any restaurant again?

What is your personal threshold for “safe”...? I’m not trying to argue. I’m genuinely interested in your perspective.

 

[Black-Balled]

If, like if I knew I could have bought Apple cheap, and today been a Billionaire. People play with if all the time, and don't do noting with life.

I live near a USAF Base, they train rookie pilots, should I worry one will crash on my home, No.

Again, dimmo...Do you really expect people to see no difference in the likelihood they'd get COVID-19, vs the likelihood a military pilot crashes a plane into them?

It isn't a matter of reading tea leaves. We KNOW the COVIDs are here and spreading.

But you, you have waited 'long enough' and have to knock balls.

 

[Black-Balled]

I’m curious. I’m assuming that you haven’t ventured outside of your own 4 walls for any reason at all, for several weeks now. At what point will you return to work, grocery shop, enter any retail store, or frequent any restaurant again?

What is your personal threshold for “safe”...? I’m not trying to argue. I’m genuinely interested in your perspective.

It is a conversation worth having for all of us.

We are seeing a change in the way we live and eliminating a good bit of unnecessary exposure potential is becoming easier.

Hard for me to put a range to it, but I think Id be OK with a weekly trip out for groceries/ gas for a LOOOOONG time.

As a parent who sees all the local crime reports, I was about ready to move the whole family into the woods and go full hermit anyway. Kids: you done met all the people youre gonna meet.:embarrassed2:

 

[David in FL]

Again, dimmo...Do you really expect people to see no difference in the likelihood they'd get COVID-19, vs the likelihood a military pilot crashes a plane into them?

It isn't a matter of reading tea leaves. We KNOW the COVIDs are here and spreading.

But you, you have waited 'long enough' and have to knock balls.

The same question that I posed above. Again, I’m not trying to pick a fight, I’m genuinely curious.

Some things to consider. The virus will likely never completely “go away”, any more than the flu does, or the common cold. Best hope for any vaccine is 12-18 months, and any vaccine will likely be less than 50% effective...

Thanks for your thoughts.