Has your local pool hall (here in the US) opened back up yet?

[336Robin]

Most of the protests being done at State Capitols is politically motivated more than anything else. Sadly the attack on Democratic State Governors is
going to end up hurting the parents and grandparents (85%) of deaths) of the very people that are calling for the end of it. Most folks know this thing is going
to be here for a long time. They and their families will remain mostly least infected because they tightened their personal circles and aren't going to allow the
superspreader into their lives. I'd advise against the attitude that it's ok to go back to business as usual. Today I see different counties in my state at various levels
some you know that have passed the height of the curve. By shutting down public interaction, the apex of the curve is possible and with continued Social Distancing the levels may
remain manageable. A hand full of deniers is going to be easy to spot because among them is where the problems are going to be. My life is forever changed until the vaccine.

Anything that suggests we should go back to business as it was is complete folly. Very well said Lou.

Hu, when I read some posting here to the effect that they have big brass ones and will live their life as they see fit without regard for the community, I ask myself: what kind of individual feels that way?

The evidence shows that a person can be asymptomatic, IOWs show no signs of infection, but be shedding and seeding the virus to those around them. That is to say, that while you may be fine, you could be giving the virus to your best friend, bartender, pool playing opponent, a total stranger passing by. They in turn could be infecting their child, their spouse, the grandparents.

What manner of humanity is OK with that in the name of individual freedom?

I ask that because in this situation, there is no such thing as individual freedom. What you or I do affects those around us, to a potentially mortal degree, and most likely it'll hit those nearest and subsequently dearest to us.

It amazes me that those showing off their big brass balls don't realize they are also showing off their big brass heads.

Lou Figueroa

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Well people who can not buy food, pay bills, because no income, and not politically motovated, there hurting.

 

[duckie]

Hu, when I read some posting here to the effect that they have big brass ones and will live their life as they see fit without regard for the community, I ask myself: what kind of individual feels that way?

The evidence shows that a person can be asymptomatic, IOWs show no signs of infection, but be shedding and seeding the virus to those around them. That is to say, that while you may be fine, you could be giving the virus to your best friend, bartender, pool playing opponent, a total stranger passing by. They in turn could be infecting their child, their spouse, the grandparents.

What manner of humanity is OK with that in the name of individual freedom?

I ask that because in this situation, there is no such thing as individual freedom. What you or I do affects those around us, to a potentially mortal degree, and most likely it'll hit those nearest and subsequently dearest to us.

It amazes me that those showing off their big brass balls don't realize they are also showing off their big brass heads.

Lou Figueroa

Well, best you just stay at home forever in order that you don’t infect somebody with something you might have.

 

[lfigueroa]

Well, best you just stay at home forever in order that you don’t infect somebody with something you might have.

Not forever, just for awhile.

Keep your distance, wear a mask, wash your hands, avoid crowds and most of us will come out of this fine. Ignore those guidelines and more people will die. I think it's a pretty easy choice.

In time the science guys will find treatments and eventually a vaccine. That doesn't mean that things won't still be different but at least you'll be around to see how it all turns out.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Black-Balled]

And yet, you hope that his business remains closed, regardless of how it may affect him, his family, his employees, or their families...

Interesting.

Please elaborate re: your inference?

 

[Black-Balled]

Within days our insurer was backing out of paying. You are challenged to lawyer up. What will happen is that if the federal government orppp states don't pass laws demanding insurers pay...lawyers will initiate class action law suits. This is all the American way. You get lied to, overpromised to and screwed.

It is bordering on disgraceful, the positions they take.

I am in court now, suing a vehicle owner who let a slimeball borrow her car.

Slimeball turned from residential street and onto 50mph roadway and got t-boned by a car we own. Our car's black box notes our speed was 48mph 10 sec before crash and brakes were applied beteween there and impact.

Slimeball tells vehicle owner's insurer our driver showed her his dash-cam footage at the scene and admitted fault to her. The adjuster was later informed by our side none of our cars have dash cams and procedural guidelines prohibit public viewing of any video we possess, in cases where it does exist.

Slimeball cited and found guilty in the matter.

vehicle owner's insurance says it has made its determination to deny based on the facts presented to it by slimeball driver and it is not in a position to change its finding.

So what happens? We sue vehicle owner for the $35k vehicle and medical costs of our driver. $55k+ she is gonna be on the hook for and she had insurance!

It is disgraceful, how they hung her out to dry.

 

[Black-Balled]

also...I have a ton of industry emails about business interruption policies and COVID-19.

Let me look thru them and see if anything useful exists yet. Hopefully, it is just a matter of the gov't assigning a specific definition to the matter and onec assigned, Ins. will deliver what their insureds have been paying for.

 

[skogstokig]

i couldn't cope with the pool withdrawal syndrome anymore today, went playing in a pool hall (no lockdown country, but lots of infections). i guess i'm not as responsible as many here are, but then again i have no table at home.

 

[benjaminwah]

also...I have a ton of industry emails about business interruption policies and COVID-19.

Let me look thru them and see if anything useful exists yet. Hopefully, it is just a matter of the gov't assigning a specific definition to the matter and onec assigned, Ins. will deliver what their insureds have been paying for.

Thanks, anything that helps is appreciated. I also contacted our state's Insurance protection bureau.

 

[animatedvmaker]

Some States are starting to slowly reopen businesses. IMHO that is a good thing, as these business owner are hurting, their employees are hurting, people are sick and tired of being locked up like criminals. Because they did not crime.

Some people are so goofy, as some one said to me yesterday that work in an essential business. This guy commutes to work, and home again via pickup truck.

His observation was I see cars & trucks on the road with only a driver in the vechicle,, these people are wearing masks, WHY? He questions why if you in a vechicle by your self do you need a mask. Goofy is a good observation.:smile:

I always wondered the same thing. I see it everyday. People driving around in their cars, with their masks on.

The dumbest thing that I see though, is that when they go up to talk to anyone, they remove their mask when talking to them (face to face), and without social distancing.

 

[justadub]

Not forever, just for awhile.

Keep your distance, wear a mask, wash your hands, avoid crowds and most of us will come out of this fine. Ignore those guidelines and more people will die. I think it's a pretty easy choice.

In time the science guys will find treatments and eventually a vaccine. That doesn't mean that things won't still be different but at least you'll be around to see how it all turns out.

Lou Figueroa

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to lfigueroa again.

 

[Black-Balled]

Thanks, anything that helps is appreciated. I also contacted our state's Insurance protection bureau.

Sorry for not being quicker with it...but it took a lot of effort to not really find anything good.

Head of large insurance group stated (to Fed? Lobby group?) that forcing insurers to pay claims excluded by agreed-upon Policies would forever change Insurance, Business and Contract Law and it would be likely to bankrupt the Insurance industry.
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/04/16/565109.htm

It (the above) may have been in response to the following, but not 100% sure: a Class Action Lawsuit has been filed against some companies for denying claims re: Covid-19/ business interruption.
https://www.insurancebusinessmag.co...ying-business-interruption-claims-220062.aspx

And here is article on the matter: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-insurers-coronavirus-is-a-curious-catastrophe-11587575822

 

[Black-Balled]

I always wondered the same thing. I see it everyday. People driving around in their cars, with their masks on.

The dumbest thing that I see though, is that when they go up to talk to anyone, they remove their mask when talking to them (face to face), and without social distancing.

we have housekeepers who come to the house and boss lady informed us all her clients except 5 had cancelled services. She stated she and her crew disinfect upon each exit/ entry into residence and they wear masks.

Since I am working at home, i get to witness their day with us.

Wearing masks on foreheads or around their necks...thanks. that should help.:slap:

 

[JoeyInCali]

Talked to a friend who owns one of the better pool halls here.
He is not hopeful.
They might be able to open in a month or so.
But, if they limit each table to two participants with the new social distancing law, he says it's gonna be really hard to make money.

 

[Cron]

Talked to a friend who owns one of the better pool halls here.
He is not hopeful.
They might be able to open in a month or so.
But, if they limit each table to two participants with the new social distancing law, he says it's gonna be really hard to make money.

They can give the social distancing approach a rest unless they're in 1 of 6 states, and those 6 states are about to be swallowed. The reality is that using social distancing at this point is mirroring the usage of it during the Salem Witch trials.

The big question is, if those 6 states happen to miraculously not be swallowed, how extreme do the measures have to be to stop the inevitable? What do you do? Annex any and all interactions, which would have to include health care supplies and emergency services. While I'm sure this isn't needed for COVID-19, it still does present a study for something that may be much, much worse someday. I find it extremely interesting and I'm wondering how Vermont in particular is pulling this off.

 

[ShootingArts]

Every other table, all kinds of things

Talked to a friend who owns one of the better pool halls here.
He is not hopeful.
They might be able to open in a month or so.
But, if they limit each table to two participants with the new social distancing law, he says it's gonna be really hard to make money.

Just judging by how they are talking about letting restaurants reopen indoor sections the pool halls may have to use just every other table and have a low maximum number of people inside too.

Employees need to work but I have to wonder if restaurants or pool halls can even break even on the extra expenses of opening the doors with the restrictions in place. I understand the restrictions but it does look like storefront type businesses are going to be put in an impossible position.

Hu

 

[arnaldo]

i couldn't cope with the pool withdrawal syndrome anymore today, went playing in a pool hall (no lockdown country, but lots of infections). i guess i'm not as responsible as many here are, but then again i have no table at home.

And no infect-able loved ones at home (or in your workplace) either? Any rational person certainly hopes that is the case.

Arnaldo

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Talked to a friend who owns one of the better pool halls here.
He is not hopeful.
They might be able to open in a month or so.
But, if they limit each table to two participants with the new social distancing law, he says it's gonna be really hard to make money.

Well that still ='s better then being closed, could actually make the Pool Room's bottom line better.

Could have more people coming through the day, not just at peek times. Never know how anything will work out, until you give it a try.

No people just hanging out, and not spending money except the owner when they used the John, and flust the toilet. Water is not cheap.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Well that still ='s better then being closed, could actually make the Pool Room's bottom line better.

Could have more people coming through the day, not just at peek times. Never know how anything will work out, until you give it a try.

No people just hanging out, and not spending money except the owner when they used the John, and flust the toilet. Water is not cheap.

Bruce, you are absolutely CLUELESS.

 

[David in FL]

Please elaborate re: your inference?

I’m sorry. “Hope” was too strong of a word. “Accepting” would be much better.

The small business owners, their families, their employees and their families that depend on our patronage for their very livelihood and survival cannot exist if we all simply barricade ourselves inside for in the fervent hope that one day in the distant future we somehow deem it “safe” to resume our lives...

Of course, the vast majority of people don’t have the financial means to do so for an extended period of time any way...

I fully expect that the financial ruin and human suffering caused by the response to the virus will exceed that of the actual virus itself. Unfortunately, while it’s fairly easy to quantify the latter, it’ll be almost impossible to put a number on the former.