Sweden 16000+ cases and 1900+ deaths, 11% fatality rate and climbing. Looks like a great job SMH
Has your local pool hall (here in the US) opened back up yet?
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Sweden 16000+ cases and 1900+ deaths, 11% fatality rate and climbing. Looks like a great job SMH
Who or should I say what News source is reporting the truth?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/can-you-beat-covid-19-without-a-lockdown-sweden-is-trying
If anyone would like to head to Sweden as a roving reporter, do it, file a report on your finding, I can not my passport is expired.
I’m sorry, but the whole “if it saves even one life” argument is completely disingenuous.
News flash. People die every day. From all sorts of causes, including viruses. We don’t stop life, or the economic engine of the country to prevent it. Hell, we could prevent all car related deaths by banning cars. Of course, everyone understands that in that case the “cure” would be worse than the “disease”. What we do, is take reasonable precautions and go on with life. But we do NOT take away the freedoms and livelihood of millions of people in a vane effort to keep everyone safe(er).
I spent an entire career in the military watching Marines, sailors and soldiers die to preserve our freedoms. It distresses me to see how easily some are willing to give up those freedoms. Not just for themselves, but incredibly, for others.
You’re an adult and have the freedom to make decisions for yourself and your family. If you want to stay inside until you feel safe. Do so. But you’re not the only one who has freedom to make decisions for themselves in this country. If others, following the legal guidelines provided, choose to do something you disagree with, well, that’s their right too.
Your are 110% on the mark, but those who tell you, "if we save one life", are ther same people who lay guilt trips on people about every social problem under the sun.
I am not guilty, would tell those people if they want to save anything for real. Got to the neighborhood where they live, look around, I am sure there is trash in the street that could be picked up, some elderly person who land need mowing, or something in their neighbor hood that need fixing.
Those are the same people who will give to some charity to drill a water well in Africia, but refuse to help a cause close to home.
I used statista, and also the Swedish Health agency. I doubt it's as accurate as Rush Limbaugh and others, sarcasm.
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Thank you.
By your logic, someone shouting "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater should be protected under their right to freedom of speech.
There is a such a thing as collective responsibility.
You should be familiar with that concept having served.
By the way, do you still feel we should re-open everything right this minute, now that the President has disagreed with it?
Trump disagrees with Georgia's push to re-open economy
By your logic, someone shouting "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater should be protected under their right to freedom of speech.
There is a such a thing as collective responsibility.
You should be familiar with that concept having served.
By the way, do you still feel we should re-open everything right this minute, now that the President has disagreed with it?
Trump disagrees with Georgia's push to re-open economy
Come on. Yelling “fire” in a crowded theater isn’t protected under the first amendment and I never intimated that it was. Nor did I say that we have unlimited freedoms.
While there is a certain collective responsibility, you and I aren’t the ones to decide what that looks like, and we certainly don’t get to decide what someone else should be doing as long as it falls within the law. That law is what defines our collective responsibility.
If pool halls, barber shops, restaurants, or hell, the local Build a Bear were to be legally opened tomorrow, we each have the freedom to decide for ourselves whether we’re going to frequent that business or not. I would never try to tell another person what he or she should or shouldn’t do. Anyone who would, doesn’t understand or appreciate the concept of a free society.
I’ve also never said that we should “re-open everything right this minute”, nor have I expressed any political stance, so I don’t know where that last bit came from.
So, do you feel that the law should be following science or politics in this case?
How about the situation below, since it "falls within the law" ?
Atlanta mayor says Georgia governor's reopening of state will be "deadly"
Sorry, I’m not going to be drawn into a political debate.
Obey the law, expect others to do the same, and then allow each other to decide what’s best for themselves given their own personal situation and values.
That shouldn’t be terribly controversial to those who value the freedoms this country provides.
Hi, Joey
DannyK? If not, how is he doing? Completely closed? Tell him John and Shirley P said hi.
Not looking for a political debate.
We have no clear national strategy.
There shouldn't be a need for groups of U.S. states to form public health coalitions.
It is time for the federal government to work with the states.
It's about collective responsibility.
For too many people their "principles" only extend to their own personal convenience.
i work isolated, as does my opponent. neither one is in a risk group. i didn't go willy nilly to play anyone. besides i brought hand sanitizer to clean rails and balls before playing. but sure, i admit it was a bit irresponsible. pool is an addiction and i wish i had my own table
Last I read Sweden's death rate is exceeding that of the US and in fact has one of the highest COVID-!9 death rates in the world.
Lou Figueroa
ya, givemesomeodat
Not talking about one life.
Clearly the infection models show that from one infection many can spread. So you're not talking about an accident that causes the death of those in a couple of vehicles, you're talking about multiple car pile ups. I think Faucci called the comparison, "ludicrous" for a number of other reasons.
We all have to go out from time to time to get supplies and that's when your disregard for community health violates those of others without their consent. I can stay at home but on the day I have to go out, and you're standing behind me in the grocery store without a mask shedding virus cells, you violate my safety, my family's safety, that of everyone around you, and untold others.
Lou Figueroa
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But somehow, infecting others with a potentially deadly virus is OK?
Sure, you might not tell someone else what to do but apparently you're OK with infecting them without their knowledge and certainly not their consent.
Lou Figueroa
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It was already proven to you that what you say about Sweden is not accurate.
As one who has been so quick to cry about 'fake news' others post, you should check your own.
As one who has been so quick to cry about 'fake news' others post, you should check your own.
the car analogy is trash.
Each death that results from vehicular operation is the result of unique circumstances. Additionally, vehicles provide such a benefit to our society, the risk is deemed tolerable/ manageable.
Also, isn't having to be licensed and requiring tags/ insurance a control on 'freedom'? Just like COVID-19, the risk is managed.
Each death that results from vehicular operation is the result of unique circumstances. Additionally, vehicles provide such a benefit to our society, the risk is deemed tolerable/ manageable.
Also, isn't having to be licensed and requiring tags/ insurance a control on 'freedom'? Just like COVID-19, the risk is managed.