Having a tip with multiple shapes

[billbOK]

So you think that the way the chalk is shaped affects the way that the tip is shaped? Let's say for a moment that chalk is really harder than leather...the way that you move the chalk against the tip would be more of a factor than the way the chalk is shaped. Oh screw it, there's really no point. If anybody else thinks this way, please negative rep me, so that I can just be banned. If you don't, well, I'm a rep whore, so give me some positive rep!!!!!

I don't know what kind of chalk you are using, mine (see picture below) is shapping my tip for sure



Negative rep on the way

 

[JCIN]

Unless you plan on maintaining chalk that will produce a penny curvature, it's almost pointless to put so much work into it. 99.9% of your tip shaping is done with chalk. The shape of your chalk is the shape of your tip.

LOL...thats a new one.

Thanks for the laugh.

<-----having visions of Jude sorting chalk "Nickel, penny, nickel, Krugerrand, quarter, 1935 buffalo nickel, ah ha!!!!!! Dime !!!"

I guess all these repair guys have been doing it wrong using razor blades. All they need is a properly calibrated piece of Masters.

Me thinks Jude is either using 80 grit chalk or REALLY soft tips.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

So you think that the way the chalk is shaped affects the way that the tip is shaped? Let's say for a moment that chalk is really harder than leather...the way that you move the chalk against the tip would be more of a factor than the way the chalk is shaped. Oh screw it, there's really no point. If anybody else thinks this way, please negative rep me, so that I can just be banned. If you don't, well, I'm a rep whore, so give me some positive rep!!!!!

Wait, you're telling me leather is harder than chalk. That's what you think?

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

repair guys have been doing it wrong using razor blades. All they need is a properly calibrated piece of Masters.

Are you for real? Do you think I'm talking about using chalk over a razor?

 

[Snapshot9]

I'm not a pool savant, nor have I played as long as many of you here.
However, I do not see the need to make fun of a question, and yes I am serious in the question I asked.

If it doesn't work, then fine, tell me so. I'm an adult, I can take it. You don't have to sugar coat it.

The reason the article was quoted was because holding your cue the same side up would give a consistant area of the tip the contact on certain shots. Then I thought what if you were to orient the tip so that a different shape was on the side for a certain shot. maybe I'm stupid, but I how will I ever know if you guys don't tell me?

It would work as well as having a steering wheel for each of the four passenger seats in a car!!!

 

[spoons]

I've no science to prove it, but I'm with Jude on this one. Shape your tip any way you want, but unless you're reshaping your tip daily, the wear and tear of chalking and playing will decide your tip's final shape. Less so on harder tips maybe, but it's still there.

 

[cueguy]

chalk

Are you for real? Do you think I'm talking about using chalk over a razor?

Seriously though, if you are thinking that the chalk is shaping your tip, then you are not chalking your tip correctly. You should not bore down on the tip - you should use the sides of the chalk to "lightly" cover the tip and that will definitely not change the shape of the tip...
Larry

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

I've no science to prove it, but I'm with Jude on this one. Shape your tip any way you want, but unless you're reshaping your tip daily, the wear and tear of chalking and playing will decide your tip's final shape. Less so on harder tips maybe, but it's still there.

Wow, thank you! I was wondering if I was in the twilight zone for a second!!!

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Seriously though, if you are thinking that the chalk is shaping your tip, then you are not chalking your tip correctly. You should not bore down on the tip - you should use the sides of the chalk to "lightly" cover the tip and that will definitely not change the shape of the tip...
Larry

Yes, I must not be chalking my tip correctly. Thanks.

 

[JCIN]

Are you for real? Do you think I'm talking about using chalk over a razor?

You are the one who said :
'Unless you plan on maintaining chalk that will produce a penny curvature, it's almost pointless to put so much work into it. 99.9% of your tip shaping is done with chalk. The shape of your chalk is the shape of your tip."

....and you are asking me if I am for real?

I was joking. I really hope you are too. Or you need to learn how to chalk a cue stick.

I have read some really off the wall shit here but that one is absolutely top 5.

Tell me the way you play will effect the tip and you got me but to say that 99.9% of how your tip is shaped depends on how you chalk it is just......well I dont even know what it is.

 

[JCIN]

I've no science to prove it, but I'm with Jude on this one. Shape your tip any way you want, but unless you're reshaping your tip daily, the wear and tear of chalking and playing will decide your tip's final shape. Less so on harder tips maybe, but it's still there.

I dont have any scientific evedience either but after playing the game for 20 years and talking to as many cuemakers as I could over that time. Neither my personal experience or any info from the men who work with cues and tips for a living lend any creedance to that argument.

This has to be a gag.

Edit: I am talking about the abrasive properties of the chalk changing a tip. I agree with the playing part having a factor due to compression and repeated collisions with the cueball at various angles.

 

[alstl]

I used to shape my tip whenever I thought it needed it, which usually was whenever I was playing poorly. I would blame my poor play on the tip and shape it. A fellow who used to post on this forum named Tom Ferry said that he only shaped his tip once when he first put it on. After that he left it alone, the chalk will shape it because chalk is an abrasive. That's what I do now and my game has improved and the tip lasts longer.

 

[MBTaylor]

Unless you plan on maintaining chalk that will produce a penny curvature, it's almost pointless to put so much work into it. 99.9% of your tip shaping is done with chalk. The shape of your chalk is the shape of your tip.

Huh? How does chalk provide 99.9% of tip shaping?

Sure, if you grind the chalk on to the stick like you are trying to stomp a bug to death, you might flatten the tip. But, I don't see any way for chalking your stick to do 99.9% of the tip shaping, especially if you apply chalk gently.

Also, I really don't see how the shape of your chalk will determine the shape of your tip. Since chalk wears down much faster than your tip, it would only seem logical to me that your tip shape would be constantly changing as a result which isn't a very good thing. Sure chalk is abrasive, but it is much softer than the leather of your tip so I don't see it doing much shaping.

I really fail to see how 99.9% of tip shaping comes from the chalk.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

You are the one who said :
'Unless you plan on maintaining chalk that will produce a penny curvature, it's almost pointless to put so much work into it. 99.9% of your tip shaping is done with chalk. The shape of your chalk is the shape of your tip."

....and you are asking me if I am for real?

I was joking. I really hope you are too. Or you need to learn how to chalk a cue stick.

I have read some really off the wall shit here but that one is absolutely top 5.

Tell me the way you play will effect the tip and you got me but to say that 99.9% of how your tip is shaped depends on how you chalk it is just......well I dont even know what it is.

I'm arguing with a guy who thinks leather is harder than chalk and you bring up cutting a tip down to size with a razor like that's somehow related. You were just being obnoxious and that's it.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Huh? How does chalk provide 99.9% of tip shaping?

Sure, if you grind the chalk on to the stick like you are trying to stomp a bug to death, you might flatten ther tip. But, I don't see any way for chalking your stick to do 99.9% of the tip shaping, especially if you apply chalk gently.

Also, I really don't see how the shape of your chalk will determine the shape of your tip. Since chalk wears down much faster than your tip, it would only seem logical to me that your tip shape would be constantly changing.

I really fail to see how 99.9% of tip shaping comes from the chalk.

No, I'm not talking about shaping your tip in a matter of minutes. You want to do that, yes use your tip shaper.

BTW, wind and water shaped the Grand Canyon.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

I agree with the playing part having a factor due to compression and repeated collisions with the cueball at various angles.

If this were the case, the top of your tip would be completely flat.

 

[MBTaylor]

No, I'm not talking about shaping your tip in a matter of minutes. You want to do that, yes use your tip shaper.

BTW, wind and water shaped the Grand Canyon.

I wasn't talking about in a mater of minutes either. If you chalked your stick on every single shot and the chalk shapes your tip minutely every single time, I don't see a tip lasting very long.

Gee, really? Is that really what formed the Grand Canyon? I thought the aliens came down with a big ray gun and did it.

BTW, Jude, can you diagram both with a cue table?

 

[JCIN]

If this were the case, the top of your tip would be completely flat.

LOL...whatever you say Jude.

Unreal.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

I wasn't talking about in a mater of minutes either. If you chalked your stick on every single shot and the chalk shapes your tip minutely every single time, I don't see a tip lasting very long.

Gee, really? Is that really what formed the Grand Canyon? I thought the aliens came down with a big ray gun and did it.

BTW, Jude, can you diagram both with a cue table?

I'm simply saying it's gradual. That's my point. You go to a room for a few hours, pocket a couple hundred balls and within that time frame, chalk your cue a couple hundred times, it has an impact.

 

[MBTaylor]

If this were the case, the top of your tip would be completely flat.

Are you trying to say that hitting the cue ball does nothing to the tip? How do you explain mushrooming? How do you explain flattening of the tip?

Maybe it is the chalk doing it.....................