Having a tip with multiple shapes
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pharaoh68 said:
Yes, I should know better than to discuss things with the tip googans. Y'all have fun with your tip picks.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GooganMBTaylor said:
1. googan
1) A failure at life; a fool of many magnitudes.
2) Tool.
Thanks Jude.
I eagerly await your next enlightening post on all things pool.
Maybe we should start a sub forum "How would Jude chalk this tip?"
MBTaylor said:
Actually, I was using the second definition - "tool". I was going to just let you think you were right but I didn't want to ruin your day.
Interesting thought. There are a few practical issues I see with this:eldowan said:
1) trying to remember that the opposite side of the tip is what you need when you shoot with a particular "curve." That is if you want to shoot with the dime radius (for any shot) the dime part needs to be rotated 180 degrees from the mark that shows where the dime portion is located. I suppose you could mark the opposite side of the cue, but then even this becomes cumbersome.
2) The tip would have "valleys" where the different tip curvatures meet. This includes where each curvature meets the center of the tip. If you hit in a valley, you may have unintended, or inconsistent results.
3) Actually shaping the tip into more than 1 radius seems very, very difficult.
4) It has been discussed that the optimal shape of a tip is based on the size of the shaft, but in proportion to the size of the cue ball. That is, for a 13mm tip, you would want close to a nickel shape, but for smaller shafts (perhaps 12mm), you would want a dime. I remember this being discussed some years back, but can't locate the thread. [although it may be an RSB memory].
5) consistency is the key to pool, so I wouldn't want to add another layer of complexity. I do not see the value added of a multi-curved tip in light of the additional copmlications it brings. The general rule for top echelon game play is keep it simple.
Lastly, IMO, a tip does adapt and shape to a style of play. This is both due to impact and chalking. However, I would estimate this at 95%+ impact and only ~5% for chalking (at least for my style of play). That is, if you shaped your tip, and could play without chalk for a week, your tip would "deform" and obtain its optimal shape. As another example, if you were to dip your tip into chalk powder, instead of rubbing it on, the tip would again obtain its optimal shape through contact. That being said, chalk is abrasive by nature, and can alter the shape of the tip to some degree. This would be based on your chalking style (light rub, heavy twist, side scrape, etc). I chalk the tip very lightly, just to add a layer of chalk. IMO, the abrasive qualities of this type of chalking have little effect on shape, as it would be closer to dipping the tip in chalk, rather than rubbing chalk on the tip. Others, however, put chalk on quite ferociously.
-td
I think Jude has a point that's being overlooked. Chalk is abrasive and can wear down leather over time. That could have an effect on the shape of the tip.
Personally, I wouldn't think it's the dominant factor that determines the tip shape though. I don't think it's the shape of the chalk that necessarily matters, as much as how you apply the chalk.
I think my tip shapes my chalk more than my chalk shapes my tip. I think that chalking wears the tip, and impact with the cue ball shapes the tip. Actually, impact with the cue ball should wear the tip too, because there is abrasive chalk between the tip and the ball.
If you didn't use chalk, your tip would probably last a lot longer. It would probably just become burnished by the cue ball over time. It would also become flatter, from using so much center ball to avoid miscuing.
Ideally, you should try to apply a uniform layer of chalk to cover the whole surface area of the tip. Then the process of chalking should ideally wear the tip evenly.
These are just my opinions. I could be totally wrong.
Personally, I wouldn't think it's the dominant factor that determines the tip shape though. I don't think it's the shape of the chalk that necessarily matters, as much as how you apply the chalk.
I think my tip shapes my chalk more than my chalk shapes my tip. I think that chalking wears the tip, and impact with the cue ball shapes the tip. Actually, impact with the cue ball should wear the tip too, because there is abrasive chalk between the tip and the ball.
If you didn't use chalk, your tip would probably last a lot longer. It would probably just become burnished by the cue ball over time. It would also become flatter, from using so much center ball to avoid miscuing.
Ideally, you should try to apply a uniform layer of chalk to cover the whole surface area of the tip. Then the process of chalking should ideally wear the tip evenly.
These are just my opinions. I could be totally wrong.
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Why can't we all just get along?
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Why can't we all just get along?
STOP with the madness "YA GOOGANS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY WHY WHY WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MBTaylor said:
Damn, I did ruin your day. Sorry.
